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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Robert L. “Bob” McCarty
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Abner Dalton Bruce
Mary Lee (Fuller) McCarty
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5.4 OHP-0004-02 Abner Dalton Bruce OHP-0004-02 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Pinehill Community and School Oil Pinehill Heyburn oil school Abner Dalton Bruce Mary Lee (Fuller) McCarty Robert L. “Bob” McCarty MP3 1:|15(13)|37(12)|69(1)|88(12)|113(1)|126(3)|142(2)|167(13)|191(15)|207(3)|222(2)|235(13)|253(16)|281(10)|302(10)|337(4)|375(6) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0004-02 Bruce, Abner.mp3 Other audio 0 Abner Bruce family history BM: This is a personal interview with Abner Bruce and his wife sitting in their living room. MM: We want to put the date on so other people can— BM: October 3, 1976. Alright, Abner, to your best knowledge, do you know of some of the first people that settled in this part? Or when did your folks come into this part of the country? AB: Bob, I can’t tell you any—[indecipherable] they came into Oklahoma, but I don’t know for sure what time they went in to this right here. Abner Bruce discusses his family Abner Bruce ; Alpha Bruce ; Coleman Bruce ; Cora Belle Bruce Carson ; Frank Bruce ; J. Smith Bruce ; James Bruce ; Moten Bruce ; Roy Bruce ; Theodocia Bruce Abner Bruce ; family members https://www.geni.com/people/Coleman-Bruce/6000000036577893136 Family Records 166 Quail, Crops, and Cattle BM: Alright, whenever they first come in to this part of the country, Abner, what source of income did they have? I already know these questions, I want you to answer them yourself. AB: Well, the main thing my dad used to talk about was the market and hunting quail. They came in here and paid to ride a horse to Mannford or somewhere and come home. That was when they shipped these quails to Kansas City. And I don’t know whether that—of course, I know they farmed, but I don’t know, that’s the thing that stuck out. BM: Do you remember what, did you ever hear him say what crops that they planted? At that time? Discussion of selling and shipping quail and cattle cattle ; corn ; crops ; open range ; quail ; stockade fence ; trains selling cattle ; selling quail ; shipping cattle ; shipping quail 337 First Oil Well BM: Now then, number four question: Do you remember hearing say, Abner, or—when was the first cotton planted in this part of the country or community? Do you remember hearing say— AB: I don’t. BM: Okay, now here’s a ques—here’s a question that I was told that you would probably be the only one in the country that could answer this question. When was the first oil well drilled in this community? AB: I can’t tell you that one, but I—in this area right here, why I would think— Discussion of the first oil well drilled in the Bristow area 1922 ; drilling ; Elsa Self ; Mike Hartman ; oil well First Oil Well in Bristow 497 School and Township Fairs BM: Okay. Okay, now then, we’ll come on down here to number six, which would be the school situation—the school. Now, Leo gave us a lot of this information on the schools. AB: Leo would know a lot more about it. BM: When was the first school built? Now, Leo said that he remembered the first school being built in 1903. And his first teacher was a teacher by the name of Nell Watson. Discussion of the school house and township fairs church meeting ; community meeting ; election ; Nell Watson ; school ; teacher ; township fair school ; township fair 675 Development of Heyburn Lake BM: What year did the government come in go to buy up all that land? (pause) Can I tell? AB: [Indecipherable] I think it was about ’49, ’48 or ’49. BM: To your knowledge, Abner, whenever the government come in and went to buy this land up, to your knowledge how many families was affected by it? AB: I couldn’t tell you. I don’t have a recollection of the [indecipherable]. Discussion of the development of Heyburn Lake government ; Heyburn Lake ; lake Heyburn Lake 806 School Teachers at Pinehill BM: Who was your first teacher? Would that be any chance Mr. Bob Lucas? Or was that Mr. Taylor? MM: He said, “Not really.” AB: Before that. BM: Well it must’ve been—well, now, just a minute. Discussion of teachers and classmates at Pinehill school Bob Lucas ; Mark Shockley ; Minnie Mayes ; Nancy Curtis ; pinehill school ; teacher classmates ; Pinehill School ; school 887 Watermelons and Chicken Roasts MM: Oh, just a minute! Who raised the best watermelons? When you was a young who—who, who got some good, who raised the best watermelons? AB: I always thought Joe Fobbs (ph) did. MM: Who? That’s the one you stole the most of? AB: Huh? MM: Is that who you stole the most of them from? Discussion of watermelon stealing and chicken roasts chicken ; Greer ; Joe Fobbs ; W.O. Baker ; watermelon chicken ; watermelon 952 School Teachers BM: Well, I—who was your first teacher, Eunice (ph). UW2: Oh, I started school down at [indecipherable], so I didn’t come here until I was ten years old. BM: Alright, what was your first teacher’s name? Discussion of teachers at Pinehill School Bob Lucas ; Charlie Thomas ; Mark Schockley ; Pinehill School ; school ; teachers Pinehill School ; teachers 990 Oil Companies in Bristow AB: [Indecipherable] started out the Prairie and then Sinclair and then [indecipherable]. BM: Sinclair and what other—which other—what others was in here on that, Abner? AB: Prairie, Prairie Oil Company. BM: Prairie Oil Company. Discussion of the oil companies in the Bristow area Conoco ; drilling ; Mid-Continent ; oil ; Prairie Oil Company ; Shell ; Sinclair ; Sun Oil Company ; Sundocks drilling ; oil ; oil companies In this 1976 interview, Abner Dalton Bruce (1918-1987) describes his early life in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow Oklahoma including his family’s income from the quail market in Mannford, farming, shipping cattle on the railroad, early oil drilling in the community, participation in fairs, and the impact of the construction of Heyburn Lake upon the community. BM: This is a personal interview with Abner Bruce and his wife sitting in their living room. MM: We want to put the date on so other people can-- BM: October 3, 1976. Alright, Abner, to your best knowledge, do you know of some of the first people that settled in this part? Or when did your folks come into this part of the country? AB: Bob, I can' ; t tell you any--[indecipherable] they came into Oklahoma, but I don' ; t know for sure what time they went in to this right here. BM: What--when I said folks-- AB: Well he did though, he had a sign, 1895, that was [indecipherable]. BM: Eighteen-ninety-five, okay. On 1895, Abner, do you know how many of the boys was that come in here at that time? How many of the Bruce boys come in here at that time? AB: Why, I think their father-- BM: What was his name? AB: --brought the family in here. Coleman Bruce. BM: Coleman Bruce. Alright, then there was five brothers, is that right? AB: [Indecipherable] I believe they' ; re[indecipherable]. BM: Alright, what was their names? AB: Five brothers and one sister. BM: Okay, let' ; s have ' ; em. AB: Abner Bruce was the oldest, and my dad, Frank Bruce, and-- BM: Mote? AB: Smith! BM: Smith? AB: And then-- BM: Then Mote. AB: Then Mote. Then Roy. BM: Then Roy. AB: Then the sister' ; s name was Cora. BM: Cora. Alright, we' ; ll go on--get just a little bit further here now. Whenever they come in here-- AB: Here' ; s why--[indecipherable] grandmother was--she came in here with my grandfather. B: Grandfather and grandmother moved the family in to this part of the country. MM: What was the grandmother' ; s name? BM: What was the grandmother grandfather' ; s name? AB: Coleman and Alpha, I believe, was her given name. She was formerly Moore but [indecipherable]. BM: Alright, whenever they first come in to this part of the country, Abner, what source of income did they have? I already know these questions, I want you to answer them yourself. AB: Well, the main thing my dad used to talk about was the market and hunting quail. They came in here and paid to ride a horse to Mannford or somewhere and come home. That was when they shipped these quails to Kansas City. And I don' ; t know whether that--of course, I know they farmed, but I don' ; t know, that' ; s the thing that stuck out. BM: Do you remember what, did you ever hear him say what crops that they planted? At that time? AB: I sure don' ; t remember. BM: Alright, we' ; ll go a little further. Now, the quail that you say that he--they also had a few cattle in there too, didn' ; t they? AB: Yeah, yeah. BM: They had cattle and they had, they had the quail market. Why, I do know that during that time they planted corn and stuff to grow-- AB: Yeah, I would think so. BM: --planted corn and high gear and feeds, feed-- AB: But another thing, there wasn' ; t enough fences in here for these cattle, so [indecipherable] at that time-- BM: It was all open range. AB: --the fences. ' ; Cause they had to have a stockade fence. BM: Had another question, where did they take it to sell it? Where did they take their product to sell? AB: Well back on the cattle, as far as I know, Oklahoma City. They shipped them on the trains. BM: Alright. AB: And the quail I was speaking about, they shipped them to Kansas City. BM: You stated there that they shipped their cattle to Oklahoma City, their quail to Kansas City. How did they get these cattle into Oklahoma City? AB: They drove them to the stockyards in Bristow. And they' ; d load them on there and [indecipherable]. BM: And the quail, they' ; d dressed them-- AB: Dressed them and iced them, and some were [indecipherable], I don' ; t know, back in there at that time, cold weather' ; s when you hunted, they dressed them out and ideally [indecipherable]. BM: Now then, number four question: Do you remember hearing say, Abner, or--when was the first cotton planted in this part of the country or community? Do you remember hearing say-- AB: I don' ; t. BM: Okay, now here' ; s a ques--here' ; s a question that I was told that you would probably be the only one in the country that could answer this question. When was the first oil well drilled in this community? AB: I can' ; t tell you that one, but I--in this area right here, why I would think-- BM: I mean, that would be over here on the Elsa Self, then back up north up here around Louis' ; s, that, now, see that would be this community. AB: That was all [indecipherable]. This over here, I think 1922. BM: Nineteen-twenty-two. Do you have any--do you have any idea who drilled that first well? AB: A man named Mike Hartman (ph), I think. B: That' ; s great. And where was it drilled? AB: Well, it was one of these--Harjose (ph). BM: Harjose (ph). Harjose (ph) lease. AB: Offset to this place of place of my dad' ; s. BM: And that would be drilled in 1922. AB: I believe so. BM: Do you have any idea, Abner, if that well--that first well--do you have any idea how many barrels, or did you hear them say how many barrels-that that well made? When it came in? AB: No, it was pretty light and it--it didn' ; t last but a short while. BM: It didn' ; t last but a short while. Then they went to developing that--drilling around the rest of the community. AB: Well now, they drilled offset on my dad' ; s, it was still producing. BM: The offset drill from the first well that was drilled on your dad' ; s is still in production. Do you have any idea how much the offset well produced when it came in? AB: No, I couldn' ; t [indecipherable]. BM: Okay. Okay, now then, we' ; ll come on down here to number six, which would be the school situation--the school. Now, Leo gave us a lot of this information on the schools. AB: Leo would know a lot more about it. BM: When was the first school built? Now, Leo said that he remembered the first school being built in 1903. And his first teacher was a teacher by the name of Nell Watson. AB: [Indecipherable.] BM: Yeah. And, now then, on this school-- AB: Wait, I would like to ask you, where did he tell you it was built? BM: Well right up here on the north part, right up here on the corner. Which would be-- AB: I know, I know the location. BM: Look, look at this map, it' ; d be right here. That you got right there in your hand, it' ; d be right there. This other one down here was the church. And it went--moved up to here. There were two burned here, and the last one was here. Alright, Abner, here' ; s another question I want to ask you: What all purposes was that school used for? AB: Well, the last one is the only one I' ; m familiar with. BM: Okay, do it. What all was it used for? AB: About every committee or community meeting, or church meeting. It was used for the churches. [Indecipherable.] BM: It was used for churches. AB: Well, fairs--township fairs and election purposes. That was about it. BM: Alright, now then, you' ; re the third person that I' ; ve heard this " ; fairs" ; from. I don' ; t remember it. You said " ; township fair." ; What all was exhibited at these fairs? AB: Oh, at that time-- BM: The ones that you remember, Abner. AB: Well, I remember stock--horses, cattle, and crops. And a few of the crops at that time were cotton and corn and [indecipherable] and et cetera. BM: In other words, it' ; s just like the fairs of today, then. It was held at the, at the school. AB: Yeah. BM: What year did the government come in go to buy up all that land? (pause) Can I tell? AB: [Indecipherable] I think it was about ' ; 49, ' ; 48 or ' ; 49. BM: To your knowledge, Abner, whenever the government come in and went to buy this land up, to your knowledge how many families was affected by it? AB: I couldn' ; t tell you. I don' ; t have a recollection of the [indecipherable]. BM: Okay, we' ; ll go on down here to the last question: How do you feel about this lake? AB: You might want to get me in trouble. BM: No, I don' ; t want to get you in trouble, I want your honest opinion. I want your honest opinion, I' ; m asking everybody that, that question. I need it for the park recreation and planning. These tapes will help with the park recreation and planning. MM: Well, you know, it [indecipherable] if we don' ; t want it to, you don' ; t have to. BM: They want to know. They want to know this family' ; s situation-- pause in recording as tape switches sides BM: --the reason I hit you with that. They want to know how the people feel. Now that' ; s, that' ; s the reason I hit you with that question. AB: Well, I was against it before it started and I haven' ; t changed my mind, but it' ; s all done and done, but it never was [indecipherable] put down our throats is how I think about it, don' ; t sound right but that' ; s the way I' ; ve always felt. pause in recording BM: Who was your first teacher? Would that be any chance Mr. Bob Lucas? Or was that Mr. Taylor? MM: He said, " ; Not really." ; AB: Before that. BM: Well it must' ; ve been--well, now, just a minute. MM: He knows, he' ; s got a list of ' ; em-- BM: It wasn' ; t Nancy Curtis (ph), then, no it must' ; ve been Minnie L. Mayes (ph). AB: Mark Shockley (ph). BM: Mark Schockley (ph). MM: You was wrong. BM: No! I wasn' ; t wrong on that either! Mark Shockley (ph) come in there after Killian (ph). See, Killian (ph) was in there and then Mark Shockley (ph), and then Bob Lucas (ph). AB: Just one year for him. BM: Right. MM: Who was the first--who was the first [indecipherable] Sunday school-- AB: Well, I was talking to them today, the graduating students who were in eighth grade because they had changed. Of course my cousins--Eva (ph) and Nolan (ph) and myself and (pause) is all I can think of at that time. MM: Was Valerie in your class? AB: Yeah! Valerie was. I guess she was? BM: Yeah. Alright, Abner, let' ; s-- MM: Oh, just a minute! Who raised the best watermelons? When you was a young who--who, who got some good, who raised the best watermelons? AB: I always thought Joe Fobbs (ph) did. MM: Who? That' ; s the one you stole the most of? AB: Huh? MM: Is that who you stole the most of them from? AB: No, I didn' ; t have to steal from any of these [indecipherable]. MM: Who' ; d you steal one of those off of? AB: I never stole but one watermelon in my life (laughs) and I got caught in that, but Greers. BM: Mr. Greer over there, he lived over on the W.O. Baker place. AB: Yeah. MM: How about them chicken roasts, did you ever go on any of them? AB: Well, I heard about them but I, I didn' ; t, no. MM: Some of the younger kids, I think, did that [indecipherable] steal from their own folks and take them and roast them. AB: No, I never--I didn' ; t take that--I heard them talk about them. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Well, I--who was your first teacher, Eunice (ph). UW2: Oh, I started school down at [indecipherable], so I didn' ; t come here until I was ten years old. BM: Alright, what was your first teacher' ; s name? UW2: Oh I can' ; t remember that far back. BM: Why now, say, Mark Shockley (ph) was Abner' ; s, and you come in here when you was ten years old, so therefore it had to be about eight or-- UW2: Bob Lucas, I think that Bob Lucas taught at [indecipherable]. MM: Charlie Thomas (ph), then. AB: You went to the new schoolhouse, when you started school. MM: Did you ever go to Pinehill School? UW2: [Inaudible.] AB: You was in this township. BM: You was in the township but you wasn' ; t in this district. pause in recording AB: [Indecipherable] started out the Prairie and then Sinclair and then [indecipherable]. BM: Sinclair and what other--which other--what others was in here on that, Abner? AB: Prairie, Prairie Oil Company. BM: Prairie Oil Company. AB: I believe they' ; re actually the ones that built it. And then Sinclair bought the Prairie Oil Company. MM: I need some information on the early oil companies-- BM: Now, did Sundocks or Sun Oil Company--didn' ; t they some stuff in here, too? AB: They never did down in here. They had some stuff over there north of Louis--where Shell is. BM: Shell. AB: And I believe, I believe it' ; s Sun. BM: Sun and Shell both-- MM: Did Mid-Continent have-- AB: But they was both out of here before-- MM: Mid-Continent-- B: Mid-Continent and Conoco, Conoc--Mid-Continent was over there, too. AB: Well that' ; s, that' ; s what they call Sun now. BM: That' ; s what they call Sun. AB: Yeah, I called them Sun but it was, it' ; s Mid-Continent, yeah. MM: How many [inaudible]. BM: No, we' ; re going to have to go, we got some more stuff we got to do. end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0004-02_Abner_Bruce.xml OHP-0004-02_Abner_Bruce.xml
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Abner Dalton Bruce
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In this 1976 interview, Abner Dalton Bruce (1918-1987) describes his early life in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow Oklahoma including his family’s income from the quail market in Mannford, farming, shipping cattle on the railroad, early oil drilling in the community, participation in fairs, and the impact of the construction of Heyburn Lake upon the community.
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Pinehill Community and School
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Robert L. "Bob" McCarty
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Bob Moore
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5.4 October 18, 1976 OHP-0002-01 Bob Moore OHP-0002-01 43:20 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Parkhill Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Drilling in the early 1900s in northern Oklahoma Pinehill, tool dresser, oil rigs, wood rigs, steam engine, dances, square dance, Two Little Sisters Bob Moore Robert L. "Bob" McCarty MP3 OHP-0002-01 Moore, Bob.mp3 1:|26(1)|52(1)|79(3)|96(10)|109(16)|129(7)|141(49)|152(9)|178(2)|197(1)|219(2)|232(9)|246(11)|271(2)|275(66)|287(7)|313(2)|332(2)|360(18)|374(2)|394(58)|409(5)|416(8)|439(3)|457(10)|469(8)|473(40)|481(1)|493(17)|514(2)|537(9)|558(24)|572(1)|597(2)|619(9)|634(15)|645(12)|664(2)|675(4)|696(15)|735(2)|765(2)|788(3) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0002-01 Moore, Bob.mp3 Other audio 0 Drilling in the Pinehill community B: …in your home on the Pinehill community. The date is 10/18/1976, time five o’clock. Now then, Mr. Moore. BM: Yeah. B: They tell me that back in your younger days that you drilled, helped work, or helped drill wells in this community, is that right? BM: That’s right! B: Where did you work at in this community? BM: Well, I worked on the Albert Biggs (ph) Mosquito allotment, right on the side of a crick. B: That would be on the side of Mosquito Creek. Bob Moore discusses drilling for oil in the Albert Biggs freedman allotment near Mosquito Creek in the Pinehill area near Bristow. Albert Biggs ; allotment ; Charlie Lowe ; Mosquito allotment ; Mosquito Creek ; Pinehill 35.950855, -96.375456 17 Pinehill Community NE Bristow 103 Drilling for Barnes and Freeland B: Naw. Where else in the community did you help drill? BM: Well, we drilled one over on, you know where this forty-eight runs up there. For Freeland. B: For Freeland. BM: Yeah. B: Do you remember the Indian allotment that that would drill on? BM: Oh, let me see. Yeah! The Morrisons (ph). B: It was on the Morrisons (ph)? BM: Yeah. B: You know that that Morrison (ph) was the freeman, didn’t you? BM: Yeah, yeah. We—that was the first well we worked on that had electric power. Bob Moore talks about working for various drillers and oil men. Bob McCarty reads from material provided by George Krumme about a gas well drilled to 900 feet. 1925 ; Albert Mosquito ; Barnes ; Big Mosquito ; Brick Kirchner ; Claude Freeland ; electric power ; Glenn Freeland ; Hoppy Toad ; Indian allotment ; Morrison 512 Hoppy Toad Oil Company and cable tools B: This was pub—this information that I have was published in 1925, although I do have records here of the Hoppy Toad Oil Company. BM: The who? B: The Hoppy Toad Oil Company. BM: Oh, yeah. B: Here is some of the Hoppy Toad and here is the C.L. Freeland Oil Company. BM: Yeah. B: Does that bring back memories to you? BM: That does, yeah. Well, Glen worked on this Hoppy Toad, dressed tools up there. I remember him talkin’ to me about it, and that was before I was—well, I was, had worked the oilfield a little but then since then I hadn’t. For a while I was— B: I just, this log here that I have in my hand is a log of a well “C.L. Freeland Oil Company Mexi-Farm.” Now where would that be? Bob talks about the Hoppy Toad Oil Company and early drilling with cable tools like a tag line or manila line. C. L. Freeland Oil Company ; cable tool rigs ; Ernie Moore ; Hoppy Toad Oil Company ; Manila line ; Mexi-Farm ; rag line ; tag line Drilling lines ; The Hoppy Toad Oil Company http://www.petroleumhistory.org/OilHistory/pages/String/rope.html “Manila” line is made out of hemp or sisal 840 Dressing tools B: You mentioned a while ago about dressing tools? How was the old tools dressed or sharpened or whatever you might do? How was that done? BM: Well, dressin’ tools is, uh—a driller and a tool dresser work together on a tower, and a tool dresser, he assisted the driller. The driller’s supposed to know more than the tool dresser did, but lots of times they didn’t know as much. I dressed tools for about twelve years before I started drilling because it was much easier on me and no responsibility. Well, I guess where they got the name “tool dresser,” when they dress a bit they’d put ‘em in a forge, they’d heat ‘em up to white heat and then dress ‘em out to gauge. They had a gauge that you’d dress ‘em out to. B: You had a gauge that slipped over the end of that bit, is that right? BM: Yeah, that’s right, that’s right. When a bit got in sand formation or after drilling so long, it’d wear out and make the hole small so that the pipe wouldn’t fall, so when it got out of gauge we had to pull the bit off and put it in a forge and dress it, but they always had another bit they put on and we’d be drilling while the bit was heatin’. B: What kind of point was on that? BM: Well, we’d dress it to both sides and would come right out the gauge in a side of a circle on the gauge [indecipherable] and we’d work it out the gauge and pound the worn surface off and it was kind of a bevel on a point and a bottom. Bob talks about dressing, or reforming, the drilling bit. Different ways of heating the bit and reforming it are discussed. dressing tools ; driller ; ram ; sand formation ; tool dresser Dressing the bit on a drilling rig 1114 Steam engines and wooden derricks B: This here is the old boiler that— BM: That’s the boiler, that’s the boiler. B: That is what, now then—you said this boiler, what part did this boiler play? BM: That made steam to run the engine on! (laughs) B: Oh, it was operated by an old steam engine? BM: Oh, yeah! That was fired with oil and sometimes they fired it with gas. Gas was much better because it was cleaner. B: It was cleaner than the oil? BM: Yep. It carried about 120 pounds of steam and the boilers were rated anywhere from thirty to forty-five horsepower boilers. That was the way they rated them. B: Well now, then, go just a little bit further. What happened, say you’re moved into an area that there wasn’t gas and there wasn’t any oil, how did you fire—what did you use to fire that— BM: We used to fire with wood or coal. Whichever one they get, which was the cheapest. B: If coal was cheaper, why you’d fired with coal. BM: Yeah. They [indecipherable] fired with wood. But boy, that took a lot of wood to heat that water up to where you get 120 pounds of steam. B: What was this well here made out of? Bob talks about the steam engines used in early drilling, the fuel used, different beams in the wooden derricks, and how these beams and cranks and belts fit together to drill. bandwheel ; boilers ; bullwheel ; generator ; Nowata ; rig builder ; smudge pot ; steam engine ; wooden derrick ; yellow gold Steam engines used in early drilling for oil ; Wooden derricks used in early drilling for oil 1359 Working conditions B: Now they had all this drilling, whenever they started drilling the wells before electric came in here, they just drilled in daylight, did they or did they not? BM: No, we drilled night and day, twelve hour shifts. B: What kind of light did you use at night? BM: Oh, we had a generator that made electric light. B: You made electric light with a generator that operated off of this steam? BM: Yeah, on the steam. But the first, before they had the generator, we used what they called the “yellow gold.” That was an oil pot come up with two spouts and a piece of hemp in each one of ‘em and we’d light that to work by. B: Worked by that smudge pot— BM: Yeah. Drilling through the night and smudge pot lighting " ; yellow gold" ; ; electric light ; shifts ; smudge pots Drilling shifts ; Light from smudge pots 1469 Time to drill a well, fishing tools, casings, building the derrick, moving in the tools B: About how long did it take to drill one of these wells? BM: Here? In this area? B: Yeah, in this area. BM: Well, ya done well to drill one in about thirty-five days if they didn’t have a fishing job losing tools. B: Uh-oh, now then, how did that come about? How did that— BM: Well, sometimes the lines would break, you know, and sometimes they would lose the tools by breaking the line and then they’d go in there and fish ‘em out. B: What kind of a deal did they use to fish ‘em out with? BM: Oh, Lord, they had a lot of fishin’ tools. The one thing that, if they had the line on it, they had what they called a three-prong grab. It was a tool that screwed onto the end of a stem and it had three long prongs on it with little wickers that come up. Oh, they were big as, oh, couple inches big. And they’d get ahold of the, try to get ahold of the line and pull them out. B: How much, how deep where they, or have you ever helped fish out one? BM: Yeah, I’ve fished one out over at Yale about thirty to a hundred, and I fished one out at Utah, was about two hundred feet. Now that was a fishin’ job. We was out there seventy-nine miles from any town, forty miles from any neighbor, and they hauled the groceries out in trucks. We used what they called a Clark engine. That was operated by gasoline. Didn’t use a boiler there. That was all sand formation and sand would drill close and would sometimes stick the tools. And we stuck the tools about, oh, I guess about two hundred feet deep, and the sand and gypsum around ‘em and we couldn’t pull ‘em out. So we cut the line and filled the hole with tools—stems after stems—and put all forty sticks to drill by it first, with the small tools. We started a twenty-inch hole there. We drilled by it with the small tools and put all forty sticks of dynamite on it. Bob talks about losing tools in the well, fishing them out, how long it took for the derrick to be built, and how long for the tools to be brought in. build a derrick ; dynamite ; fishing tools ; grasshopper derrick ; rig builder ; steel derrick ; wooden conductor Drilling a well in 35 days ; Losing tools and fishing jobs 2017 Early pay for drilling work BM: But about four days. And we worked twelve hours a day and when we was rigging up, all four of us would go out the last day and finish rigging up and the driller and tool dresser would stay there and start, they’d work about eighteen hours that day. B: What was the pay during that time, Bob? BM: Well, I was getting’ about eight, nine dollars a day. B: Eight or nine dollars a day? BM: Yeah. B: Now today their wages’d be— BM: Quite a bit more. B: Yeah, I’d say, what—what would you say the wages would be today on a modern-day rig? BM: Well, I don’t know what they’re gettin’ now, but when I quit drilling, that was about, oh, I was getting’ twelve, thirteen dollars a day, but I was only workin’ eight hours. Well I started workin’ eight hours about, oh, about 1930. B: You started workin’ eight hours a day runnin’ three shifts. BM: Yeah. Pay for oil field work in the 1910's, going to World War I, coming back to work in the oil fields, and the price of oil then. driller pay ; early oil worker pay ; shifts ; tool dresser pay ; work day 2444 Oil field workers fun MM: What did they do for fun, them oilfield guys? B: What did they do for fun, you oilfield boys workin’ out there in the oilfield, what did you guys do for the fun? To have fun? BM: Oh, we’d get—not me, but most of ‘em ‘d get drunk and get into a fight, and something like that. Play craps and play poker and run around with the women— UW: When you stayed, lived around Yale? BM: What? UW: Lived around Yale and worked, what did you all do for fun there? BM: When? B: When you lived around Yale, what did you guys do for fun up there? BM: Oh! I went to dancin’ about twice a week. B: About twice’st a week?? What oil field workers did for fun and Bob square dance calling of " ; Two Little Sisters" ; . dancing ; drunk ; fight ; play craps ; poker ; square dance calling ; square dancing ; women ; Yale In this 1976 interview, Bob Moore discusses working as a tool dresser on oil rigs in the early 1900s in northern Oklahoma at a time prior to electricity, when rigs were built of wood, powered by a steam engine, and lighted at night by burning pots of crude oil. He also describes going to dances in Yale, Oklahoma in his spare time and calls a square dance named “Two Little Sisters” for the interviewer. B [Bob McCarty, Interviewer]: --in your home on the Pinehill community. The date is 10/18/1976, time five o' ; clock. Now then, Mr. Moore. BM [Bob Moore, Interviewee]: Yeah. B: They tell me that back in your younger days that you drilled, helped work, or helped drill wells in this community, is that right? BM: That' ; s right! B: Where did you work at in this community? BM: Well, I worked on the Albert Biggs Mosquito allotment, right on the side of a crick. B: That would be on the side of Mosquito Creek. BM: Yeah, that, that' ; s right! B: Right on the side of Mosquito Creek. BM: Yeah. And I worked for Charlie Lowe he was drillin' ; a well there. He was a contractor. B: Charlie Lowe was a contractor. BM: Yeah. B: Uh, do you remember, Mr. Moore, do you remember the depth that that well was? BM: I think it was about 3,200 feet. B: Did you get oil at that time, or did it-- BM: Yeah, yeah. We got oil there. It was a small well but it was a producer. B: It was a producer. BM: Yeah. B: Roughly what would you say that that well would make a day? BM: I' ; d say about fifty barrels at that time when we brought it in. B: You dug, when it came in, it came in at fifty barrel a day? BM: Yeah, something like that, yeah. MM [Mary McCarty, Interviewer]: Is that too strong? (sound of cups clinking) B: Naw. Where else in the community did you help drill? BM: Well, we drilled one over on, you know where this forty-eight runs up there. For Freeland. B: For Freeland. BM: Yeah. B: Do you remember the Indian allotment that that would drill on? BM: Oh, let me see. Yeah! The Morrisons. B: It was on the Morrisons? BM: Yeah. B: You know that that Morrison was the freeman, didn' ; t you? BM: Yeah, yeah. We--that was the first well we worked on that had electric power. B: The Morrison well was the first one that you had electric power to? BM: Yeah. B: What year was that, Mr. Moore? BM: Oh, let' ; s see--that must' ; ve been about 1925. B: Nineteen-and-twenty-five? When you first went to work in the oil field working the drilling, was there any other wells located around in that part of the country? BM: Yeah, there was a well or two around in there. Freeland had some production over in that part of the country. B: Do you have any idea where that production was? BM: Well, it was right around in there, quite a little bit of it, and then, oh, Glen Freeland, he' ; s still alive, he could tell you where it is. B: Now I talked to Glen the other night-- BM: You did? B: --and I found out from Brick Kirchner that Glen Freeland has had an eye surgery and his thinking at the present time is not very much. It' ; s pretty weak, he doesn' ; t remember. When I asked him about it, he said, " ; I don' ; t remember. I just don' ; t remember." ; BM: You know, I' ; ve known Glen Freeland for practically all his life. When he was about--when he first come from West Virginia, up around Nowata. B: Did you know Claude Freeland? BM: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I worked for Claude Freeland once. B: Our deed according to the records that we have on the, this oil survey that was made through here, Claude Freeland and--where' ; s that notebook at? (pause ; sound of pages flipping) Uh--it was drilled-- BM: He drilled a well right up here about a half a mile called the Hoppy Toad. B: There you go, now we' ; re gettin' ; somewhere! BM: Yeah. B: We' ; re getting' ; somewhere now! BM: Yeah. B: This is some stuff I got from Albert--or George Krumme-- BM: Yeah. B:--and it gives in here the first well that was actually drilled in this community. It was Barnes and Freeland, was it or was it not? BM: Yeah! Barnes and Freeland. Yeah. I knew Barnes. I knew Freeland, too. See when I first come to Bristow in 19-3. I was just a small kid then, then I come in 1911. B: See, this thing here, (referencing publication) " ; on April 11 one-third of a mile to the northwest in section thirty-six," ; which would be way over here, " ; township seventeen north, range nine east, with a depth of nine hundred and ninety feet to a thousand ten feet, it was encountered of the initial flow of seven million cubic feet per day." ; BM: That' ; s gas. B: Gas. BM: Yeah. B: (continues reading) " ; This well' ; s flood was turned into a twelve-inch line of this company, which at that time carried gas to the Oklahoma City area until the pressure decreased to a flood of which it would no longer force gas into the pipeline. The well was again connected to the pipeline in February 1917 when its open flow capacity registered 350,000 cubic feet a day with a rock pressure of 375 pounds." ; Alright, now then, on this rock pressure, what did they mean by that rock pressure? BM: That was, I don' ; t know. I don' ; t know what they meant by that rock pressure. You see, we never drilled very many gas wells. We were drillin' ; for oil, mostly. B: Drillin' ; for oil, mostly. BM: Yeah. B: Now, this well that you were talkin' ; about, what year was it--what year that you drilled here on the Big Mosquito--Albert Mosquito, what year was that? BM: Let' ; s see, oh, must' ; ve been about 1930, 19--, let' ; s see, about 1920-25. Between 1925 and 1930, I' ; d say. (woman talking in background) BM: You got a record of that, haven' ; t you? B: No, I don' ; t have a record of that one. BM: No, you don' ; t. B: I' ; ve got ' ; em up to, uh, oh, looks like about-- MM: [Indecipherable] published that in ' ; 23 so he wouldn' ; t have anything on ' ; 25 [indecipherable], remember? B: This was pub--this information that I have was published in 1925, although I do have records here of the Hoppy Toad Oil Company. BM: The who? B: The Hoppy Toad Oil Company. BM: Oh, yeah. B: Here is some of the Hoppy Toad and here is the C.L. Freeland Oil Company. BM: Yeah. B: Does that bring back memories to you? BM: That does, yeah. Well, Glen worked on this Hoppy Toad, dressed tools up there. I remember him talkin' ; to me about it, and that was before I was--well, I was, had worked the oilfield a little but then since then I hadn' ; t. For a while I was-- B: I just, this log here that I have in my hand is a log of a well " ; C.L. Freeland Oil Company Mexi-Farm." ; Now where would that be? BM: The Mexi-Farm? B: The Mexi-Farm Well Number One. Where would that be located? BM: [Indecipherable.] B: (reading) " ; Township seventeen north, range nine east, section twenty-nine." ; BM: Well-- B: Section twenty-nine. MM: Bob, why don' ; t you question him about the rigs, that was something, you know, ask him another [inaudible]. B: Now this, this picture here, is--that is one of the first rigs that operated, the old cable tool rigs, is that right? BM: Yeah, that' ; s right, I remember rigging up [indecipherable] in Kansas. B: That was in Kansas. BM: Yeah. B: But that is-- BM: [Indecipherable] Charlie Lowe and dress [indecipherable] name is Ernie Moore. B: Ernie Moore and Charlie Lowe. BM: Yeah, you don' ; t want to leave somebody but he dressed tools for Charlie. B: Now this Charlie--this Charlie Lowe, was he one of the people that drilled in here, too? BM: Oh, yeah. B: You mentioned that a while ago. BM: Yeah. B: Could you tell me how the old cable tool rig operated with comparison of the [indecipherable] of today? BM: Well, the [indecipherable], it drills much faster. The cable tools was much slower. And they used what they called a rag line--that, uh, manila line--that' ; s manila line that Charlie Lowe' ; s drillin' ; with there. (interference in tape) But they generally spun it in, the first of the hole with a rag line because it' ; s much easier on the rig and it' ; s much easier on everything. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: We would kind of leash a wire line in a manila line when we first started, we called that a cracker. And we drilled with a cracker at first because it was easy on the rig. Oh, that old manila line just used to, just grunt and groan and sing along with us--it was really nice to work with one of them. There wasn' ; t many drillers in my day that knew how to run a rag line--uh, manila line. B: Uh, was that a pretty complicated thing to do? BM: Yeah, it was a little complicated, it is, but the manila line would stretch out, you know, like a rope--that' ; s what it was, a rope line. B: It was actually a tag line. BM: Yeah. B: You' ; d call it a tag line of today. BM: Yeah. And it would--well, we' ; d drill about five or six feet by the rag line and it' ; d be about nine feet by the time we got through because it' ; d stretch out. B: It would stretch out four feet. BM: Yeah, three or four feet. B: Mmm-hmm. MM: Ask him [inaudible]. B: Was it--especially when you first started the hole with that-a-way, was it pretty hard to keep that hole straight? BM: No, it was fairly easy, we' ; d rig it up and guide the stem and boards across and go close to the stem and then guide the stem. B: You mentioned a while ago about dressing tools? How was the old tools dressed or sharpened or whatever you might do? How was that done? BM: Well, dressin' ; tools is, uh--a driller and a tool dresser work together on a tower, and a tool dresser, he assisted the driller. The driller' ; s supposed to know more than the tool dresser did, but lots of times they didn' ; t know as much. I dressed tools for about twelve years before I started drilling because it was much easier on me and no responsibility. Well, I guess where they got the name " ; tool dresser," ; when they dress a bit they' ; d put ' ; em in a forge, they' ; d heat ' ; em up to white heat and then dress ' ; em out to gauge. They had a gauge that you' ; d dress ' ; em out to. B: You had a gauge that slipped over the end of that bit, is that right? BM: Yeah, that' ; s right, that' ; s right. When a bit got in sand formation or after drilling so long, it' ; d wear out and make the hole small so that the pipe wouldn' ; t fall, so when it got out of gauge we had to pull the bit off and put it in a forge and dress it, but they always had another bit they put on and we' ; d be drilling while the bit was heatin' ; . B: What kind of point was on that? BM: Well, we' ; d dress it to both sides and would come right out the gauge in a side of a circle on the gauge [indecipherable] and we' ; d work it out the gauge and pound the worn surface off and it was kind of a bevel on a point and a bottom. B: It had a beveled point on it? BM: Yeah. We used to have to dress it with--the big bits you' ; d used to have to dress with sledgehammers. Then we got to where we used a ram--that ran off of a crank of machinery. B: That made tool dressin' ; a lot easier and a lot quicker. BM: Oh, yeah, a lot easier. B: A lot faster. BM: Yeah. B: All you had to do was heat it up to the white hot that you wanted it and take this ram and batter it out there like you wanted it. BM: That' ; s right. B: And if you got-- BM: I was pretty good on a ram. I was hittin' ; ' ; em too nice one day. (both laugh) BM: But they was much better. B: The ram itself in later years came into quite a accomplishment, or quite a labor-saving device than the old-time tool dressing. BM: Yes! Yeah. We used to, when I was young, we started a twenty or twenty-four-inch hole. As you can imagine them bits would be quite hot. You stand up alongside of them you got cooked. B: That' ; s right. BM: So we used that ram to drive ' ; em out the gauge. B: Ram ' ; em out there, flat end of it out the side you wanted it? If you got it flared out too big, well then how did you work it down? BM: Well, we was careful not to do that. When you got it too big you had to pound it down with sledgehammers. B: She wants to ask you a question now. BM: Okay. MM: What about that one? That picture? B: What about that picture there? BM: On that picture is a picture taken at El Dorado, Kansas. MM: But it' ; s the same kind of drilling bit, too. BM: I was on a--I worked up there one winter, that was at El Dorado. B: That was at El Dorado, Kansas. BM: Yeah. B: This here is the old boiler that-- BM: That' ; s the boiler, that' ; s the boiler. B: That is what, now then--you said this boiler, what part did this boiler play? BM: That made steam to run the engine on! (laughs) B: Oh, it was operated by an old steam engine? BM: Oh, yeah! That was fired with oil and sometimes they fired it with gas. Gas was much better because it was cleaner. B: It was cleaner than the oil? BM: Yep. It carried about 120 pounds of steam and the boilers were rated anywhere from thirty to forty-five horsepower boilers. That was the way they rated them. B: Well now, then, go just a little bit further. What happened, say you' ; re moved into an area that there wasn' ; t gas and there wasn' ; t any oil, how did you fire--what did you use to fire that-- BM: We used to fire with wood or coal. Whichever one they get, which was the cheapest. B: If coal was cheaper, why you' ; d fired with coal. BM: Yeah. They [indecipherable] fired with wood. But boy, that took a lot of wood to heat that water up to where you get 120 pounds of steam. B: What was this well here made out of? BM: That derrick is made out of wood. B: It' ; s an old wooden derrick. BM: Old wooden derrick, right. It was about seventy-two feet tall. B: What kind of wood was--BM: Pine. B: Pine? BM: Yeah. B: That would be made out of two-inch stuff, three-inch stuff, or what? BM: Oh, yeah, it was made out of two-inch stuff, the derrick was. But the big timbers like the beam, which were the biggest parts, that and the main cell, the beams and Samson post, sat in the main cell. That was the biggest timber in the whole rig. And the walkin' ; beam was next and they were slotted out and keyed with wooden keys--that was hardwood keys and drive it in with a sledgehammer They was dovetailed, the timbers was dovetailed to fit. That was built by rig builders. B: Had to be a rig builder to do that? BM: Yeah. MM: [Inaudible.] B: And now then, on this first well that worked your walkin' ; beam that operated your bit, there was a big bullwheel on that, was there or was there not? BM: Oh, yeah. The bullwheel, they would wind up the cable that the stem was to, and the walkin' ; beam, after it got about, oh, it spun. You had a gangway at about a hundred feet and that' ; d hook onto the walkin' ; beam. B: It would hook onto the walkin' ; beam at about a hundred feet? BM: Yeah. And this would go onto a crank that run to the belt, to the belt on the bandwheel. And it hooked the [indecipherable] up to the timber down here, it had a whole--had a whole band of ' ; em who put that on this crank to come through the bandwheel. And the engine run here in this engine house with about a twelve-inch belt that run over the bandwheel and operated the bandwheel and the crank that operated the walkin' ; beam that the tools was on the end of it. B: Now they had all this drilling, whenever they started drilling the wells before electric came in here, they just drilled in daylight, did they or did they not? BM: No, we drilled night and day, twelve hour shifts. B: What kind of light did you use at night? BM: Oh, we had a generator that made electric light. B: You made electric light with a generator that operated off of this steam? BM: Yeah, on the steam. But the first, before they had the generator, we used what they called the " ; yellow gold." ; That was an oil pot come up with two spouts and a piece of hemp in each one of ' ; em and we' ; d light that to work by. B: Worked by that smudge pot-- BM: Yeah. B: --that old smudge pot at night, then? BM: Yeah. Called that the " ; yellow gold." ; B: Was those smudge pots pretty dangerous? Workin' ; at night? BM: No, they wasn' ; t dangerous. You soon learned not to get too close to ' ; em, you get yourself burned. B: Well, after you got a well down, oh, down into the gas sands-- BM: Then it was dangerous. B: Then these smudge pots was dangerous. BM: That' ; s right, that' ; s right. But I don' ; t think they had ' ; em in this--well, they had derricks, they had to' ; ve been up there around Nowata where they wells is about 600 feet deep and they worked with a machine, [indecipherable] and [indecipherable], a machine like that. B: About how long did it take to drill one of these wells? BM: Here? In this area? B: Yeah, in this area. BM: Well, ya done well to drill one in about thirty-five days if they didn' ; t have a fishing job losing tools. B: Uh-oh, now then, how did that come about? How did that-- BM: Well, sometimes the lines would break, you know, and sometimes they would lose the tools by breaking the line and then they' ; d go in there and fish ' ; em out. B: What kind of a deal did they use to fish ' ; em out with? BM: Oh, Lord, they had a lot of fishin' ; tools. The one thing that, if they had the line on it, they had what they called a three-prong grab. It was a tool that screwed onto the end of a stem and it had three long prongs on it with little wickers that come up. Oh, they were big as, oh, couple inches big. And they' ; d get ahold of the, try to get ahold of the line and pull them out. B: How much, how deep where they, or have you ever helped fish out one? BM: Yeah, I' ; ve fished one out over at Yale about thirty to a hundred, and I fished one out at Utah, was about two hundred feet. Now that was a fishin' ; job. We was out there seventy-nine miles from any town, forty miles from any neighbor, and they hauled the groceries out in trucks. We used what they called a Clark engine. That was operated by gasoline. Didn' ; t use a boiler there. That was all sand formation and sand would drill close and would sometimes stick the tools. And we stuck the tools about, oh, I guess about two hundred feet deep, and the sand and gypsum around ' ; em and we couldn' ; t pull ' ; em out. So we cut the line and filled the hole with tools--stems after stems--and put all forty sticks to drill by it first, with the small tools. We started a twenty-inch hole there. We drilled by it with the small tools and put all forty sticks of dynamite on it. B: Forty sticks of dynamite? BM: Yeah. [Indecipherable] put on twenty-five and I had fifteen left, and I said to Charlie, I said--we was livin' ; in a camp thar that had two small boys, and I said, " ; Before somebody gets hurt, let' ; s just put ' ; em all on, instead of hidin' ; ' ; em some place, we' ; ll just put ' ; em all on." ; And we filled the hole full of tools and pulled ' ; em out. But it broke the beam and there wasn' ; t a piece of timber in that part of the country big enough to make a beam out of and they sent to Florence, Colorado to get a piece of timber big enough to make a beam out of. And then once we got the beam out of it, ah, why, then we pulled ' ; em out. MM: [Inaudible.] B: What is the difference between the early casing and the casings of today? BM: Well the early days started a well with a wooden conductor. B: A wooden conductor. BM: Yeah. It was made like a pipe. If we started a twenty-inch hole we' ; d get about a twenty-two-inch wooden conductor, and that was just about twenty feet long, and as we drilled we would put the wooden conductor in and then reduce the hole to a fifteen-inch hole, or eighteen, and go on from there. B: Now, this wooden conductor that you' ; re speaking of, that would be what we would call today the surface pipe. Is that right? BM: Yeah. That' ; s right. B: The only thing in the early days, the surface pipe, or wooden conductor, it was made out of wood but today it' ; s made out of steel. BM: Made out of steel, that' ; s right. MM: What kind of wood? B: What kind of wood would they be made out of? BM: That was made out of two-by-fours and two-by-sixes, about twenty feet long. B: Oh, you made it yourself? BM: No, they made--a company made it. B: The company made it. BM: Yeah. It was a company that made the conductors. MM: What year did they quit using them? B: What year did they quit using that wooden conductor? BM: Oh, it was, I supposed, about nineteen, nineteen eighteen. B: Then they went to the regular steel surface pipes. BM: Steel surface pipes, right. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: You had to have something, you know, to keep the hole from caving in, and protect the drilling root. Stem. MM: [Inaudible.] B: What year--or do you know--what year did they go to the steel derricks instead of the old wooden derricks? BM: Well, they used wooden derricks up until, well, I guess they still use some of them now. But they got to where they make units out of steel and hardwood and turnbuckles and things like that they started in on that about, oh, about 1920. MM: [Inaudible.] B: What year did they do away with these derricks and go to the type that they' ; re using out here now, what they call a grasshopper? BM: Oh, that' ; s just been late years. B: That' ; s been here in the later years? BM: Yeah. B: Say, from uh, 1960, then? BM: Well-- B: Fifties or ' ; 60s. BM: ' ; Bout that time. B: What kind of wagon and teams did they use to get, to, uh, wait a minute, let me back up a minute. On puttin' ; up one of these wells before you--you started drilling, how long did it ordinarily take you to put one of them up? BM: A derrick? B: Put up a derrick and get all set up to go to drillin' ; . BM: Well we probably put up a derrick in about four days and then we would move the tools in, that' ; d take us about four days. B: Now then, let' ; s say that again. BM: I said it' ; d take about four days to build a rig. The rig builder' ; d do that, there was a crew of about, generally about five men. And they worked hard. And fast. And they worked daylight. Then we would move our tools in, that' ; d take us about four days to rig up, to get ready to start. And then we' ; d start drilling in about four days. B: You' ; d start then, it' ; d take roughly from the time they rig builders moved in and everything was completed, ready to go to drilling, it' ; d take about twelve days, is that right? BM: Well, no, it didn' ; t take quite that long. B: Ten to twelve days. BM: If we didn' ; t start up in four days after we started rigging up, why, the contractor would get on our tail! (both laughing) BM: But about four days. And we worked twelve hours a day and when we was rigging up, all four of us would go out the last day and finish rigging up and the driller and tool dresser would stay there and start, they' ; d work about eighteen hours that day. B: What was the pay during that time, Bob? BM: Well, I was getting' ; about eight, nine dollars a day. B: Eight or nine dollars a day? BM: Yeah. B: Now today their wages' ; d be-- BM: Quite a bit more. B: Yeah, I' ; d say, what--what would you say the wages would be today on a modern-day rig? BM: Well, I don' ; t know what they' ; re gettin' ; now, but when I quit drilling, that was about, oh, I was getting' ; twelve, thirteen dollars a day, but I was only workin' ; eight hours. Well I started workin' ; eight hours about, oh, about 1930. B: You started workin' ; eight hours a day runnin' ; three shifts. BM: Yeah. B: Three eight-hour shifts, and of the eight hours you' ; d draw about twelve dollars a day? BM: Yeah. Ten to twelve. B: Ten to twelve dollars a day. BM: Yeah. B: The drillers, what did the driller draw? Was that the driller' ; s--BM: The driller' ; d draw two dollars or a dollar more than a tool dresser did. B: Say the tool dresser drawed twelve dollars a day then the driller would draw about fourteen dollars a day. BM: Yeah. B: What year did you start in working in the drilling business? BM: Oh, 19-well, I first started in it as a kid, I was, I was sixteen years old. I worked on a cleaning-up rig up around Little Fall. It was [indecipherable] shallow stuff. And that was, oh, that was about 1912 or ' ; 13. And then I got fired because I was too little to dress bits, the contractor thought. But I had a good driller by Charlie Lowe who' ; d drilled, and he was big and strong as an ox. And he took a lot of work off of it. Well then, about, oh, about 1914, why I started back again. B: About 1914 you started back in again, into the oil pipe work. BM: Yeah. I worked ' ; til World War I and I went to the Navy, I was drawing fourteen dollars a day working twelve hours over in Yale when I went to the Navy in 1918 for--well, I worked six months and drawed fifty dollars. Which was quite a comedown. (laughs) B: That would be quite a cutback in pay. BM: Yeah, it sure was. And I wondered if it was a good idea for me to quit a fourteen-dollar job to go to--fourteen dollars a day--to go to war. But since then I' ; ve been drawing a little pension, about sixty-two dollars, and I guess if I live to be a hundred I' ; ll get the money back. B: You' ; d probably have to live to be about a hundred and fifty! BM: Yeah. (laughs) Which I don' ; t think I' ; ll [indecipherable]. B: What year did you--then after you came out of the Navy, did you go back in to the oil pipe-- BM: Oh, yeah, I was working for the Carter Oil Company then, and he-- B: Carter Oil Company? BM: Yeah. Over in Yale. And the company had a plan that if you went into the service, well when you come back they' ; d give you your same old job back. And I went for it. B: You went right back to work for the same people that-- BM: Right back to work, and I recollect, yeah. B: Then what year did you finally give up the oilfield, settle down and say " ; to heck with it?" ; BM: That' ; s when I starved to death! B: That' ; s when you starved to death? BM: Yeah! Oil business was pretty good but you worked maybe two or three months and the company shut down and you' ; d be off for a month or two. And it was hard to get a job. But I was pretty lucky, I was a good tool dresser, and was always able to go to work. Lots of tool dressers would be drunk or into a fight or something, but I was always able to go to work and generally had a job if anyone else did. I worked for Wilcox for, oh, about two years. B: What year did you finally completely quit the oilfield and leave it alone? BM: Let' ; s see, well I come out here in 1929, I' ; d been out of a job for about thirty days, and damn near starved to death, and I' ; d had one job since then, I worked about thirty days, and when that, well, when we--by that time I was quit, or--couldn' ; t get a job. B: At about 19-and-29, then, is when you actually left the oilfield? BM: About 1930. B: About 1930 is when you actually left the oil--oil pipes for good. BM: Yeah. B: I believe that' ; s-- MM: [Inaudible.] B: How important was that oil in this community? BM: Well, it was not quite as important as it is now, we didn' ; t have to buy foreign oil, and we had plenty of oil the fact of the matter is that there was times when they cut the production of the wells down to where they were only producing so much a day. They prorated. MM: How much a barrel? B: How much a barrel at the beginning, how much a barrel did that oil sell for? BM: I think about two dollars a barrel. B: About two dollars a barrel? BM: Yeah. B: What would you say it is today? BM: Oh, I imagine about fifteen dollars. B: I believe it' ; s more than that. BM: You do, well, that' ; s probably worth it. B: I would say, I would say about twenty-three to twenty-five dollars a barrel today. BM: Yeah, well that depends on the grade of oil, of course, and the way gasoline is selling I expect it ought to be worth more than that! B: Yeah, I would too! (laughs) B: [Indecipherable], is there anything you wanna ask him? You got ' ; im talkin.' ; MM: [Inaudible.] UW [Unidentified woman, Bob Moore' ; s wife]: Ask him out loud. MM: What did they do for fun, them oilfield guys? B: What did they do for fun, you oilfield boys workin' ; out there in the oilfield, what did you guys do for the fun? To have fun? BM: Oh, we' ; d get--not me, but most of ' ; em ' ; d get drunk and get into a fight, and something like that. Play craps and play poker and run around with the women-- UW: When you stayed, lived around Yale? BM: What? UW: Lived around Yale and worked, what did you all do for fun there? BM: When? B: When you lived around Yale, what did you guys do for fun up there? BM: Oh! I went to dancin' ; about twice a week. B: About twice' ; st a week?? BM: Yeah! UW: They had square dancin' ; . B: You mean them old feet got-- BM: Yeah! Listen, they couldn' ; t start a dance ' ; til I got there! B: Oh, oh! BM: I was a dancer. I liked to dance. UW: Tell them about how far you walked to work each night. BM: Oh, sometimes we walked three miles ' ; round [indecipherable] B: You walked three miles? BM: --horse, you get a horse and buggy and sometimes quick to get up when you couldn' ; t get over with a buggy and' ; d have to walk. B: Did you ever call for any of these square dances? BM: Oh, yeah! B: What was some of the calls that you called? BM: Oh, I called a hundred of them. B: Call a little bit for me! BM: Well, let' ; s see--how ' ; bout " ; Two Little Sisters?" ; B: That' ; s good! Let' ; s have it! BM: (calling, clapping, and stomping in rhythm) Two little sisters form a ring/ dosey out and dosey in/ two little sisters ready again/ back to your partner and everybody sway/ two little sisters out to the right/ pick up one little sister and three little sisters form a ring/ back to your partner and everybody sway/ four little sisters form a ring/ get back to your partner and everybody sway/ four little sisters form a ring/ back to your partner and everybody sway. That' ; s one of ' ; em. B: That' ; s mighty good, Bob, mighty good. UW: Bob and I have danced a million miles. BM: That was when she would answer my callin' ; . She don' ; t do anything I tell her now. (laughs) B: We' ; re gonna have another little get-together. end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0002-01_Bob_Moore.xml OHP-0002-01_Bob_Moore.xml
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In this 1976 interview, Bob Moore discusses working as a tool dresser on oil rigs in the early 1900s in northern Oklahoma at a time prior to electricity, when rigs were built of wood, powered by a steam engine, and lighted at night by burning pots of crude oil. He also describes going to dances in Yale, Oklahoma in his spare time and calls a square dance named “Two Little Sisters” for the interviewer.
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Pinehill Histories
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Robert L. “Bob” McCarty
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Carrie May (Millhouse) Vann
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5.4 OHP-0001-001 Carrie May (Millhouse) Vann OHP-0001-01 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. History of Pinehill Community Pinehill school fairs Carrie May (Millhouse) Vann Robert L. “Bob” McCarty MP3 1:|36(2)|68(7)|103(12)|121(5)|141(15)|181(9)|206(9)|222(4)|242(2)|269(2)|294(3)|307(8)|320(4)|341(2)|371(2)|400(13)|424(16)|461(1)|498(2) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0001-01 Vann, Carrie.mp3 Other audio 0 Spelling Bees and School CV: Which was the most dangerous—water or fire. BM: Yeah. CV: You know, fire killed [inaudible]. MM: Well I can’t think of what [inaudible] Memories of spelling bees and school in the Pinehill community Charlie Dressler ; Ellis Head ; Floyd Wilson ; Howard Baker ; Mosquiter Creek ; schoolhouse ; singing ; spelling bees ; Virgil School ; Spelling Bees 235 Teachers and getting into trouble BM: Uhh, what about those spankings? (tape interference) CV: Well, in the evenings, y’know, we’d all walk home together on the road ‘til we’d get to Mosquito creek, or sometimes I would go on with a bunch up to the next corner, on the south up there where we lived. BM: Where the other school that—where the first schoolhouse was. CV: Yeah. And--well not hardly that far. And momma, she kept tellin’ me not to do it, to come on home. And one evening I—told me not to do that no more. Next evening I did, I went up there and I got a whoopin’ when I got home. (laughs) Memories of getting into trouble as kids and the first teachers of Pinehill Edith Whiteneck ; Ethel Logan ; school ; teacher school ; teachers 389 Death of Alvin Hicks CV: Yeah, I think that’s the way it was because I know, uh, we didn’t live down there too long ‘til we moved up here on this [indecipherable] and, uh, he was teachin’ school— BM: He was teaching school when— CV: Well when my brother got killed. Alvin. BM: When Alvin got killed, well, he was the teacher there then. That was Alvin Hicks. Okay, then After Alvin Hicks there was who. Carrie Vann speaks on the death of her brother Alvin Hicks. Alvin Hicks ; stalk cutter ; teacher Alvin Hicks ; teacher 533 Families in Pinehill CV: And you haven’t talked to any of the Vanns, or— BM: No, uh, you’re the first, uh, we just got this thing today, got ahold of-- CV: I guess I better let [indecipherable] let them talk. BM: Well you tell what you can and on that part, I’ll come back to that, and, uh—it was after you and Virgil-- A discussion on the families living in the Pinehill community Abner Bruce ; Annie Pinehill ; buggies ; Iva Ware ; Jay Crawford ; John Wilson ; Milk ; Naomi Ballard ; Owen Ware ; Perrymans ; Phoebe ; revival ; Sally Pinehill ; sapulpa ; Sister Mary ; Smith Bruce ; train ; W.O. Baker Pinehill Families 908 Fairs BM: Tell us about this fair situation. VV: Well, I don’t— MM: Uh, Alex—you might start with Alex— VV: Well, really, I don’t know, I think Alex Myers was one of the judges, wasn’t he? Of the milk cows? CV: I don’t remember. VV: Oh yeah, I’m sure he was, uh, you can have these old timers like John or somebody can tell you more about that, but I can’t, ‘cause they—I was just a kid, you know, ‘bout seven years old. Discussion of fairs in Pinehill Alex Myers ; church ; Deep Fork ; fair ; Judges ; Pinehill Fairs 1010 Bruce Family and Playing in the Creek VV: And old Smith Bruce, I heard him talk, you know, he, he might’ve, uh, raised some big ones. All I know, I know he raised a lot of cane down there, I shipped cane for him myself. MM: Now, honey, you don’t put the ashes in her vases-- CV: No, here, right here, that’s what it’s for— VV: Now I just don’t remember anything about the watermelon. CV: Well, you wasn’t born then, when what I’m talkin’ bout— Memories of playing in the creek chicken house ; creek ; Smith Bruce creek ; rooster In this 1976 interview, Carrie May (Millhouse) Vann (1900-1982) discusses the history of the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma in the early 1900s, including the first teachers at the school and her classmates, her childhood, courting her husband Virgil Vann, social events such literaries, and the childhood death of her brother Alvin. CV: Which was the most dangerous--water or fire. BM: Yeah. CV: You know, fire killed [inaudible]. MM: Well I can' ; t think of what [inaudible] pause in recording BM: People had a lot of fun at ' ; em. CV: Yeah. pause in recording CV: You know, even the grown people would help out in those. You remember the sp--oh, you don' ; t remember the spelling bees, do you? BM: Yeah. CV: And the older folks would spell against one another, and I know my mother won one time. BM: And it' ; s, uh, the last one in. CV: Yeah, and the word was " ; recollect." ; I' ; ll never forget that word, " ; recollect." ; They all missed it but her. (laughs) pause in recording CV: Stuff like colored people. BM: Mmm-hmm. CV: [Indecipherable] but I--I just can' ; t figure out, well, Baker boy, y' ; know, that-- BM: Which one is that? CV: Howard. BM: Howard Baker. CV: Yeah, he went to school there, and then the oth--George, was it? BM: Geo--uh, Matt. CV: Matt. BM: Yeah, that--I think that picture that I was talkin' ; --I think he' ; s in that. MM: Didn' ; t they have some singing at the literaries? CV: Oh, yeah, they had just a--children' ; d say it was-- MM: Singing. CV: Oh, singing? MM: Different adults sang songs? CV: I don' ; t think we did. Only at church, y' ; know, Sunday School, but on the lit-- MM: You had church and Sunday School in the schoolhouse, too. CV: Mmm-hmm. When we moved up this country, did youse live here? In around in here? BM: Aww, see, mom and dad was, was, married here. In 19-and-19, I think. CV: Yeah, yeah I can remember when they got married. MM: Mom went to school out there. CV: Yeah, she did. BM: 19-and-12. CV: But I' ; m talkin' ; ' ; bout her momma and daddy. BM: Aww, no, they came to Oklahoma in 19-and-07. CV: Seven, well that' ; s the year, then, when we moved down here, we moved in about 1912, I think. [Indecipherable] got the schoolhouse and then Charlie Dressler owned the place and dad rented it from him. BM: He lived down on the Charlie Dressler place. CV: Right south of the schoolhouse. BM: Right south of the schoolhouse, that would be down-- CV: It' ; s right close to the little creek. BM: Be Mosquiter Creek. CV: Mosquiter Creek, yeah. On--we lived on the north side. BM: You had it on the north side--you must' ; ve lived in there where Ellis Head lived over there. CV: Well, that' ; s-- BM: You lived there where Ellis-Ellis and Mickey lived there for years. CV: Yeah, yeah, um-hmm, that' ; s the place we lived. And I was trying to think--Mickey and I, you know, [inaudible] Vann that year, and I remember Floyd Wilson, he was just a baby. (laughs) And, I know a [indecipherable], we' ; d pack him around, take care of him. But that--I don' ; t remember ' ; em singing, only just in church. I know they had reading, Da--I can remember--when I say " ; Daddy" ; I mean Virgil, I remember him singin' ; a song about the grasshopper, and he still knows that, it' ; s a reading, rather, you know, and he still knows that good. MM: I asked Virgil if-- pause in recording BM: Back up-- pause in recording BM: Uhh, what about those spankings? (tape interference) CV: Well, in the evenings, y' ; know, we' ; d all walk home together on the road ' ; til we' ; d get to Mosquito creek, or sometimes I would go on with a bunch up to the next corner, on the south up there where we lived. BM: Where the other school that--where the first schoolhouse was. CV: Yeah. And--well not hardly that far. And momma, she kept tellin' ; me not to do it, to come on home. And one evening I--told me not to do that no more. Next evening I did, I went up there and I got a whoopin' ; when I got home. (laughs) BM: You got a paddlin' ; when you got to the house! MM: So did the teacher ever paddle you? CV: No, I [indecipherable] BM: Well what' ; s up with the cotton pickin' ; mess that Virgil got into? CV: Well I don' ; t know, you' ; d have to ask him ' ; bout that. He--I know he was a' ; ridin' ; a horse out on the schoolground-- BM: Yeah- CV: --and, uh, the horse throwed him, and throwed him up against a tree. He hurt his shoulder, and [indecipherable] was tryin' ; to show off. BM: ' ; Tryin' ; to show off? CV: (laughs) Yeah. BM: To the girls? CV: We wasn' ; t sweethearts then, we just-- BM: Just tryin' ; to show off to the girls? CV: Yeah. That' ; s what I expect. (laughs) He' ; ll get me for that. BM: Awww, we don' ; t need to let him know ' ; bout that one. When it comes to that one, why, we just shut ' ; im off. Or let it on forward, turn the volume down where he can' ; t hear. CV: But you know the first school was Miss Whiteneck. BM: The first teacher-- CV: Edith Whiteneck. BM: Edith Whiteneck. Okay, now, then. Edith Whiteneck was the first teacher. CV: For me, I can-- BM: Okay, she was the first teacher, period, the way I understand it. CV: Yeah, I think she-- BM: Alright, uh, what was the teacher' ; s name after Edith Whiteneck? CV: Oh, let me see now, the other day I remembered. (pauses) Ethel. Ethel Logan. BM: Ethel Logan. Was the teacher. Was the teacher after Edith Whiteneck. CV: Yeah. BM: Alright. CV: I think that Edith-- BM: Who was the teacher after her? CV: A man teacher. BM: Man teacher then? After Etta? CV: Yeah, I think that' ; s the way it was because I know, uh, we didn' ; t live down there too long ' ; til we moved up here on this [indecipherable] and, uh, he was teachin' ; school-- BM: He was teaching school when-- CV: Well when my brother got killed. Alvin. BM: When Alvin got killed, well, he was the teacher there then. That was Alvin Hicks. Okay, then After Alvin Hicks there was who. CV: He was, uh, drivin' ; a one of them--cuttin' ; stalks, cotton stalks-- BM: Cuttin' ; stalks with a stalk cutter. CV: Yeah, yeah. Stalk cutter. Henry died when that--and he come home from school and he had wanted to ride on that and he got on that thing and rode by himself about a hundred foot and it went to runnin' ; (tape interference) down onto the ditch, the thing turned over and caught him and he was dead. BM: It had cut him all to pieces. CV: Yes. So, and then, I just, I didn' ; t go to school down there so I didn' ; t really know. I imagine Ivy' ; d remember what-- BM: Oh, uh, we' ; ll check with Ivy on it, too. We' ; ve got, uh, a few to go. CV: It was ' ; fore I was married, just not too long afore I was married, when she got married in sixteen? Nineteen? BM: Nineteen--you got married in 1915. So he was killed in 1915. CV: It was the thirteenth--I mean on the fourteenth or fifteenth, I think I' ; ve got it in the Bible. Ivy might know. BM: Ivy might recollect what day it was--what day it was that he was killed. CV: Yeah. pause in recording CV: --went home, you know children used to go home with children. I was with Esther Wilcox that day. (tape interference) --they sent somebody down to tell me about him. (tape interference) CV: And you haven' ; t talked to any of the Vanns, or-- BM: No, uh, you' ; re the first, uh, we just got this thing today, got ahold of-- CV: I guess I better let [indecipherable] let them talk. BM: Well you tell what you can and on that part, I' ; ll come back to that, and, uh--it was after you and Virgil-- CV: I think it was after we was married, or just before. I think it' ; s after, when they did that. MM: How did they run off and get married? CV: I don' ; t know. MM: Are they the ones that were on the train to Sapulpa and got married? CV: I don' ; t think they went very--couldn' ; t have went very far in them days they just had buggies, you know. MM: Somebody went to--who was it your momma used to tell about-- BM: Uh, I think they were married afore. CV: Uh, let' ; s see, when we first come up to this country, down there, they just got through with a revival. They had the biggest revival they' ; d had. And when--they just called her Sister Mary, the woman done the preaching, but I never did learn her name, they just called her Sister Mary. But that was before [indecipherable] BM: Yeah. CV: Grandma and grandpa did. BM: Grandma and grandpa Dot. CV: You know, uh, Mary Bly (tape interference) CV: --and uh, what else maybe I can-- BM: [Indecipherable.] CV: Oh, yeah, Smith Bruce and them-- BM: Okay, Smith Bruce-- CV: --back over here a little, and-- BM: Yeah. CV: And you folks, and Jay Crawford-- BM: Jay Crawford. CV: Yeah, and his family lived on the black--what they called the black place, a little house there in there where dad--your grandfather let ' ; em use it. And, uh, Milt and Phoebe lived there, I remember them, and uh, Sally Pinehill, I remember I went to her funeral. And, uh, Annie Pinehill, the one with the husband (tape interference). It' ; s just mostly Bruces (tape interference). BM: And what was Grandpa Bruce' ; s name, was that Abner Bruce? [Indecipherable] man Abner? CV: I don' ; t know what his name was, we just always called him Grandpa Bruce, he was always--he loved children. I used to ask him to go home with him for dinner, but I--to tell you the truth, it must' ; ve been [indecipherable] the boy' ; s names back then, mustn' ; t it? Would Phoebe know? BM: I' ; d have to talk to her. CV: They made that [indecipherable]. And Naomi Ballard went to school there. And, uh, Wilson? What was his name? John Wilson? BM: John Wilson. CV: His family, they lived there. And uh, Wares, you remember them? And then W.O. Baker and their kids went to school there. And the Ware kids went there, Owen Ware and Iva Ware. MM: What about the Perrymans, was there any of them? CV: Yes, they lived there too. MM: Yeah. CV: The Perrymans lived there. MM: Mmm-hmm. CV: And what was those kids' ; names, I can' ; t think of them-- MM: That would' ; ve been-- CV: Or Parkham, if it' ; s close enough. You know, half the [indecipherable] from down at the cemetery' ; s, it' ; s down on Pinehill, you know, in that creek, Pinehill Creek. And, uh, he died, Pinehill, Grandpa Pinehill died for, when we went to his funeral. And, uh, they put in there his lunch, in a shoebox, they fixed him a lunch, and they put his saddle and then--I don' ; t know whether it was a gun or a bow and arrow. MM: It might' ; ve been a bow and arrow. CV: I don' ; t know whether they used guns then or not, the Indians. And, let me see now. Yeah, they just packed him down there and the rest of them walked down Pinehill ' ; cause it wasn' ; t very far there. BM: I was sayin' ; to her, over in, uh, the road there that [indecipherable]. CV: Yeah. BM: Over there in the creek. CV: Yeah. [Indecipherable.] BM: Yeah. CV: Somebody told me here awhile back somebody' ; d been digging in the graves over there, I don' ; t know if that' ; s right. BM: Yeah. That' ; s what I heard. CV: That' ; s the reason, don' ; t you think? BM: Ahh, I imagine so. MM: [Indecipherable.] CV: [Indecipherable.] pause in recording BM: Tell us about this fair situation. VV: Well, I don' ; t-- MM: Uh, Alex--you might start with Alex-- VV: Well, really, I don' ; t know, I think Alex Myers was one of the judges, wasn' ; t he? Of the milk cows? CV: I don' ; t remember. VV: Oh yeah, I' ; m sure he was, uh, you can have these old timers like John or somebody can tell you more about that, but I can' ; t, ' ; cause they--I was just a kid, you know, ' ; bout seven years old. pause in recording BM: You' ; re on. You' ; re on, buddy. You' ; re on. VV: I can' ; t talk into one of them little old things. BM: No, you were talkin' ; a while ago, you were tellin' ; me all about it, and you--now you, now what about this, uh, prize that you won. VV: Well, I took, uh, I went out in dad' ; s field and got some sudan, you know, and took it up there and won first prize there at the fair. Well they bring their work horses, you know, their cows, everything, they grew everything. MM: ' ; Bout what year did it--what years did that? VV: Well must' ; ve been ' ; 28, ' ; 29, or ' ; 30, in there you know, well, we moved to Pinehill what was ' ; 33 when we moved down there was. They, we -- there to, I mean to-- CV: ' ; 30-- VV: I mean to Deep Fork. CV: It was ' ; 30 when we moved to Pinehill. VV: ' ; 30? So it must' ; ve been ' ; 28 and ' ; 29 when I went to school down there. And they even used to have fair, uh, a fair up here at this church up here, you know, uh, Liberty, okay? They had a fair there, they had one at all these little places around here, they had their own little fair. I can remember, I don' ; t remember takin' ; anything up there but I remember going up there to the fair. That' ; s when the old church sat on back west up on the hill there, you know? And I was a kid goin' ; up there. pause in recording VV: And old Smith Bruce, I heard him talk, you know, he, he might' ; ve, uh, raised some big ones. All I know, I know he raised a lot of cane down there, I shipped cane for him myself. MM: Now, honey, you don' ; t put the ashes in her vases-- CV: No, here, right here, that' ; s what it' ; s for-- VV: Now I just don' ; t remember anything about the watermelon. CV: Well, you wasn' ; t born then, when what I' ; m talkin' ; bout-- pause in recording BM: Alright, now then. VV: --and we' ; d pull it back up on the one leg and kids would get on there and ride it-- CV: --I had some things, I had a basket of the things [indecipherable] and ride it down the creek-- MM: Why was it put there?-- CV: They built it, the boys-- VV: It was up in a great big old elm tree, see-- MM: Oh you built it yourself? VV: Yeah, put a pulley on there and a seat, you know, and we' ; d pull it up there and climb up the tree and get on and ride down the creek, you know, and we had it tied to another tree and you stopped, it was just something to play with, you know. pause in recording VV: And somebody came there and broke some [indecipherable] off and took off, and that was it--we lived back over there by Smith-- CV: Well, we lived down on the corner-- VV: But he found out who it was, I think, but he just let ' ; em go, said they was hungry. CV: Way over Bruce' ; s place, well not way over Bruce, the little Pinehill' ; s place-- VV: That' ; s where your chicken house was, far away, them birds CV: (laughing) VV: Over up on that Pinehill place. pause in recording VV: Well where' ; d you live at? CV: Uh, dad lived up on what call--used to call Pike' ; s Peak, that big hill where you turn, you go down to-- VV: Way up on there on that cave? MM: Yeah, uh, dad lived up there. VV: You know, where they played ball? BM: Yeah. VV: Where it turned west? On the south side of the road just--I was up there here, I was telling Carrie it' ; s still up there, no sir, they had a mother that lived in an old cellar there-- CV: No, we lived in a tent. MM: Albert Cree (ph)-- CV: Dad had the-- MM: Albert Cree' ; s (ph) rooster' ; s who he' ; s tellin' ; -- CV: Yeah. (laughs) MM: What' ; d they do with it? CV: Oh, they--he got after ' ; em with his gun and they had to turn it loose. (laughs) Dad still tells that. VV: I don' ; t remember that. pause in recording CV: [Indecipherable] and that really got him, he said you know' ; d I didn' ; t [indecipherable]. VV: Who was that? CV: [Indecipherable] Bruce VV: Oh. CV: [Indecipherable.] end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0001-01_Carrie_Vann.xml OHP-0001-01_Carrie_Vann.xml
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In this 1976 interview, Carrie May (Millhouse) Vann (1900-1982) discusses the history of the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma in the early 1900s, including the first teachers at the school and her classmates, her childhood, courting her husband Virgil Vann, social events such literaries, and the childhood death of her brother Alvin.
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5.4 OHP-011-01 Charles Lionel Klock, Sr OHP-0011-01 20:39 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Early childhood memories Pinehill, Bristow, Oklahoma, fights, opossum, moonshine, Indian dance Charles Lionel Klock, Sr Robert and Mary McCarty MP3 OHP-0011-01 Klock, Charles Sr.mp3 1:|71(1)|85(1)|101(1)|121(1)|133(14)|153(2)|185(14)|223(2)|240(2)|256(8)|277(2)|300(4)|309(13)|341(10)|362(1)|384(14)|397(8)|415(7)|424(7)|439(10) 0 http://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0011-01 Klock, Charles Sr.mp3 Other audio 0 Family Seventh - afternoon of June 7, 1977. We're talking to Charles Lionel Klock Charles Lionel Klock, and he's gong to tell us about his family. Lionel, what war you mother and dad's name? Charles Lionel Klock describes his family Beaumont ; brother ; family ; father ; Morgan City (La.) ; mother ; sister ; sisters ; Texas City Klock family 121 Pinehill school Did all of you children go to Pinehill school? No, just the three oldest - Daphine and myself and Vernon. I think that was the only ones that really went to the Pinehill school. How many years did you go? About two, I believe, because Lionel Klock describes going to Pinehill school. Annie over ; Mr. Thomas ; Pinehill ; school jumping gates ; Pinehill school ; riding a horse to school ; spankings 396 Chicken roasts Did you ever hear about - did you ever hear about those chicken roasts? Would you like to hear, would you like to hear a story - No, Daphine - Daphine, now I think Daphine - Would you like to hear the story about them? Yeah, I'd like to hear that. Interviewer Mary McCarty relates a story from Lloyd Bruce about stealing chickens and roasting them in a clay shell. chicken roasts ; Lloyd Bruce ; Lloyd, Bruce bake in clay ; chicken roasts 477 Opossum hunting and school spanking and fight with Bob Well, you missed the fun years out there, then. Well, maybe so. But I had plenty of fun. Going out to - going out in the - Do you remember the Christma - - you know, Dad' d take us out hunting at night. We'd go out and hunt opossum or it jsut so happened that many a times we'd - we'd run over with a old hound, we had an old hound that went out ahead of us. hound dog ; opossum ; skunk hound dog ; opossum ; skunk ; Striped skunk 537 School fight and fight with Bob You start talking about that fight, you said there was about eighteen of you: Oh, yeah, well - You told me while ago there was about eighteen of you got a whipping. How many of them was in school that year, if eighteen of you got a whipping? I don't know, I would say it was at least half of the school got it, but the fight really - I don't know exactly what Bobby's part of it is --- Lionel Klock and Bob McCarty reminisce about a fight and the switching they got from the school teacher. girl whipping ; school fight ; whipping school fight 785 Moonshine and a stomp dance Hey, Bobby, did you ever get up in the country there, especially up behind old Ellis Heads' house? You ever go up in there? You ever see those pigs laying up there in that mud - Yeah: - get so drunk on that sour, sour mash that tehm poor sows couldn't get up? Lionel Klock and Bob McCarty reminisce about a moonshiner and an Indian stomp dance. moonshine ; pigs ; sour mash ; stomp dance ; war party ; white lightening deputy sheriff ; Indian stomp dance ; moonshine ; white lightening 1146 Bobby can fight and Lena can dance What were some of the kids' names that went to school with you? Well, I really don't remember a whole lot of 'em. Naturally, Bob Imhousen, then Lena Hooky She must have been a pretty little girl. You keep talking about her. classmates ; dancing dances ; two-step In this 1977 interview, Charles Lionel Klock, Sr. (1927-2003) describes his very early childhood memories in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow, Oklahoma including fights with schoolmates, opossum hunting, the first time he ever tried corn mash alcohol (moonshine), and attending an Indian dance as a child. Interviewer: Mary Lee (Fuller) McCarty (1929-2007) (MM) Interviewee: Charles Lionel Klock, Sr. (1927-2003) (CK) Other Persons: Robert L. " ; Bob" ; McCarty (1927-2007) (BM) Date of Interview: June 7, 1977 Location: Drumright, Creek County Oklahoma Transcriber: Melissa Holderby Organization: Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Original Cassette Tape Location: OHP-0011 Side ALength: 0:20:39 Abstract: In this 1977 interview, Charles Lionel Klock, Sr. (1927-2003) describes his very early childhood memories in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow, Oklahoma including fights with schoolmates, opossum hunting, the first time he ever tried corn mash alcohol (moonshine), and attending an Indian dance as a child. Preface: The following oral history testimony is the result of a cassette tape interview and is part of the Bristow Historical Society, Inc.' ; s collection of oral histories. The interview was transcribed and processed by the Bristow Historical Society, Inc., with financial assistance from the Montfort Jones & ; Allie Brown Jones Foundation. Rights to the material are held exclusively by the Bristow Historical Society, Inc. The reader should bear in mind that he or she is reading a verbatim transcript of spoken, rather than written prose. Insofar as possible, this transcript tries to represent the spoken word. Thus, it should be read as a personal memoir and not as either a researched monograph or edited account. To the extent possible, the spelling of place names, foreign words, and personal names have been verified, either by reference resources or directly by the interviewee. In some cases, a footnote has been added to the transcript in order to provide more information and/or to clarify a statement. Some uncertainties will inevitably remain regarding some words and their spellings. In these scenarios, a (ph) follows a word or name that is spelled phonetically. The notation [indecipherable] is used when the transcriber has not been able to comprehend the word or phrase being spoken. The notation [inaudible] is used where there is more mumbling than words, or when interference on the tape has made transcription impossible. MM: Seventh--afternoon of June 7, 1977. We' ; re talking to-- CK: Charles Lionel Klock. MM: Charles Lionel Klock, and he' ; s going to tell us about his family. Lionel, what was your mother and dad' ; s name? CK: Dad' ; s name was Charles Ishmael Klock and mother' ; s name was Sybil Emmaline Klock. MM: What was your mother' ; s name before she married? CK: Williams. They was--had moved here to Drumright area and mother and dad married in that area. Followed the oilfields around here for a while and finally settled here in Bristow at the little pumping plant out north of town. MM: How many brothers and sisters do you have? CK: I have one brother and three sisters. MM: What' ; s their names? CK: Well, Daphine--do you want me to give their married names? BM: Yeah. CK: Daphine--Dorotha Daphine and her last name now is Holmes. She lives in Texas City, she' ; s a registered nurse. And Vernon Klock lives in Beaumont, Texas and he' ; s a retired--I guess you' ; d call him superintendent for the McDermott (ph) shipyard out of Morgan City, Louisiana. And we have Aline Sanders who is there in Beaumont, lives in Beaumont, her husband' ; s a butcher for the market [indecipherable]. And then my youngest sister which is Thelma Dean Ross (ph), and she lives in [indecipherable], Texas which is a little old town just about ten miles out of Beaumont. MM: Your mother and dad still alive? CK: No, mother' ; s living but dad died two years ago on Easter Sunday morning of a heart attack, there in Beaumont, Texas. MM: Did all of you children go to Pinehill school? CK: No, just the three oldest--Daphine and myself and Vernon. I think that was the only ones that really went to the Pinehill school. MM: How many years did you go? CK: About two, I believe, because--well, really, I went, I went--I started for three, but it just so happened that I was a little early in my going to school and so after about two or three weeks in school I can remember one day I got up behind the curtain on the stage and jumped out and hollered " ; Boo" ; at everybody and just immediately after that, Mr. Thomas sent a letter home to my momma and said, " ; Mrs. Klock, please keep Lionel home," ; says, " ; He won' ; t study and won' ; t let nobody else." ; So I had to stop and drop out that year and then I started again the next year. So hopefully that helps. MM: What kind of sports did you play? CK: Well, the only thing I can remember playing at Pinehill is that we had an excellent slide there, we got the old wax--paper wax off of the bread wrappers, off of the bread. And we put it as slick as you could possibly get it and then the only other sport that I ever really remember playing at the Pinehill was they could throw that ball over and catch it and then run around and hit somebody with it on the other side of the school. MM: Annie-Over. CK: What would you call that? MM: Annie-Over. CK: Annie-Over! Boy, we had a time with that, now. MM: Did you ever get in on any of those chicken stealing when you lived there? CK: No, no, I didn' ; t get into any of that, you know--we lived, when we first began to go to Pinehill, we lived over on the old Indian home. I don' ; t even remember what the Indian family was, but it was over close and had a neighbor by the name of Vann. We had five gates between us and school and we rode a horse. Daphine and I would ride the horse and mother and dad would always instruct us to be sure to stop at each one of those gates and open and close it when we went through. And so we did, we faithfully did our part--at least until we found out that the horse could jump and from that point on, I don' ; t believe we stopped to get any--to open any of them. But we--Bobby was showing me here, Minnie Davis (ph)? Is that where we was living? BM: That' ; s where he lived, yeah. CK: Out on the Minnie Davis (ph) place. Anyway, we never did stop to--from that point on, when that horse came to the gate it always jumped it and how we held on I don' ; t know, but we made it home safely anyway. MM: Did you mom and dad know you was jumping the gate? CK: (laughs) No, they didn' ; t. MM: Have you told your mother in later years? CK: Yeah, yeah. You know, I don' ; t know, we--in our going home, we had one place that we stopped off. I don' ; t know where [indecipherable] it was, don' ; t even remember the name of the family, but it was somewhere between after we turned off of a certain road going back over through to the house, we' ; d stop off at these people' ; s house and get warm! Well, I tell you, when we was coming home, it' ; d be cold, snow on the ground and our feet would get mighty cold and I tell you what, I didn' ; t particularly like the boots that I had and I burned the soles off of them at those people' ; s house by putting my foot up close to the fire. It got warmed, but I burned the heel--the sole off of ' ; em, anyway. (laughs) MM: About how many spankings a day did you get when you was going to school? Bob tells how many he got. CK: Oh, I was a good boy. I don' ; t know, I know I got some but it was mostly hold your hand out and with a ruler on it, you know, and a lot of that kind of situation. Only one time I really did get a switching from Mr. Thomas, but I wasn' ; t alone in that one. There was several others that got a whippin' ; on that one. MM: You didn' ; t go, though--if you got up to the seventh or eighth grade like Bob did, you' ; d have got a few more. CK: Maybe so, maybe so. MM: You missed a few things-- BM: I didn' ; t have to [indecipherable] MM: Did you ever hear about--did you even hear about those chicken roasts? Would you like to hear, would you like to hear a story--CK: No, Daphine--Daphine, now, I think Daphine-- MM: Would you like to hear the story about them? CK: Yeah, I' ; d like to hear that. MM: They would go to various famers, usually the one that was the crankiest in the community, and they' ; d steal a chicken. CK: Oh? MM: And they' ; d take it down to the creek and they' ; d wrap it in--they had a certain place where there was good clay, and they' ; d make a thick layer of that clay, just wring it' ; s neck off and make a thick layer of that clay on that chicken-- CK: Yeah? MM: And just throw it in the fire and let it bake and then when it got done they' ; d just break that clay off and just eat it with their fingers. CK: Uh-huh. MM: So I asked Loyd Bruce on his tape, I said, " ; Loyd, did you remove any undesirable parts of those chickens?" ; And he paused a minute and he said he didn' ; t believe they did! But they said you can take the toughest old rooster or old hen and wrap it in that clay that way and it' ; d get tender and good. CK: I would suppose they would. (all laugh) MM: But they cooked it guts, feathers and all. CK: Oooh, boy! (laughs) BM: [indecipherable] CK: I think I' ; ll [indecipherable], I' ; ll tell you. MM: Did you steal any water--no, you wouldn' ; t even be big enough to steal-- CK: No, no, I, I didn' ; t, I never did really, I didn' ; t--let' ; s, let' ; s see, it must' ; ve been--so really first, second grade is about all that I really got to go there. Well, I tell you-- MM: Well, you missed the fun years. CK: Well-- BM: Then they moved up to Oilton. CK: Yeah, we moved up to Drumright and to Oilton in-between there. MM: Well, you missed the fun years out there, then. CK: Well, maybe so. But I had plenty of fun. Going out to--going out in the-- MM: Do you remember the Christma-- CK: --you know, dad' ; d take us out hunting at night. We' ; d go out and hunt opossum or it just so happened that many a times we' ; d (laughs) we' ; d run over with a old hound, we had an old hound that went out ahead of us. Instead of a opossum he found a, a good skunk. And run in on top of that skunk and it hit him right in the face. And I never (laughs), I never heard one dog holler so much and waller so much, throw his head on the ground and roll and squall and bawl and, you know? That ruined our hunt for that night. We didn' ; t get to go any further. (laughs) That old dog just--hooked him up and he went back to the house after that. MM: You start talking about that fight, you said there was about eighteen of you? CK: Oh yeah, well-- MM: You told me while ago there was about eighteen of you got a whipping. How many of them was in school that year, if eighteen of you got a whipping? CK: I don' ; t know, I would say it was at least half of the school got it, but the fight really--I don' ; t know exactly what Bobby' ; s part of it is, but I know I come home crying and dad said, " ; What you crying about?" ; and I said, " ; Well, somebody jumped on my back." ; And sometimes it was Bobby! Other times it might' ; ve been somebody else but that particular time it was Bobby. And he told me, he said, " ; Son," ; he said, " ; I' ; ll tell you what: If you come home tomorrow night and you' ; re crying because somebody jumped on your back and you hadn' ; t done nothing about it," ; he says, " ; I' ; m gonna spank you." ; Well, the next evening it just happened to be that Bobby was the one that jumped on my back. And for the next mile and half--next half a mile, really--it was either me on bottom and him on top or I was on top and he was on bottom, I don' ; t know how it all wound up like, but I assure you one thing, this is some--at least thirty-five or thirty-six years afterward and I' ; m still bearing the scars of those, that fight (laughs) in my face. MM: It' ; d have to be better than forty years, you didn' ; t go to school out there after you was ten. CK: Well, no, let' ; s see-- MM: Come on, now. CK: Well, five years--six years old, yeah! It' ; s got to be forty, forty-four years ago. About forty-four to--forty-three to forty-four years. That' ; d be it. But I' ; ll tell you what, I didn' ; t get a whipping when I got home, and I can' ; t say whether I got the best of the fight or Bobby got the best, or who got the worst, or what have you. I' ; ll tell you we both come out with plenty of scars, and not only us--you know, Alton (ph) and Daphine got into that, too. Alton (ph) wound up with a pretty good scar on his face over that rack--and Daphine had some pretty good nails and she shore did get him right across the face. BM: [inudible] CK: Clear from the forehead clear to the chin, I' ; ll tell you, he really got a good one. MM: And on top of all that, I believe your mother and Bob' ; s mother were best friends. CK: Ooo-hoo! (laughs) Yeah, yeah! And after that, Bob and I was pretty good friends, too! (laughs) BM: (laughs) MM: Our son that was killed and a boy got into it and knocked each other' ; s teeth loose and everything else and the next day they wanted visit each other and we said, " ; Mose (ph), we thought you were angry," ; and he said, " ; Why, just ' ; cause your fighting' ; s no sign that you' ; re mad at each other!" ; (all laughing) BM: But you know, Mr. Thomas didn' ; t like what he heard about that fight. He--the next day at school he begin to name off the ones that he wanted to talk to after school, and he kept the boys in one room and the girls in the other. The only thing is, he appointed Daphine and one of the other girls to go out and they was to pick the switch that we was to get switched with, and naturally for themselves they pretty--picked a pretty good, a very small little switch. But for the boys, I' ; ll assure you we got our--they got the right size. I don' ; t know if that was a peach limb or just what it was, but I' ; ll assure you--and when Mr. Thomas laid it on, he was--didn' ; t spare the rod. (laughs) I can remember it. Now, I also heard from other reports, though, that when he spanked the girls it--that just the skirt really got the blistering. It really never did get down next to the body on the girls. But the skirt really did get the blistered on. CK: I think everybody went down that south road and got a lickin' ; that day. BM: (laughs) Eighteen of us, at least. CK: I know' ; d it, anyway. MM: Well, you and the McIntyres (ph) got into it one time, didn' ; t you? CK: No, me and the Wilson boys got into it. MM: Wilson. CK: Hey, Bobby, did you ever get up in the country there, especially up behind old Ellis Head' ; s (ph) house? You ever go up in there? You ever see those pigs laying up there in that mud? BM: Yeah? CK: --get so drunk on that sour, sour mash that them poor sows couldn' ; t get up? (all laughing) BM: You know the last time, last time I talked to old Ellis--oh, before the lake was--had a lot of water in it. When I-- MM: Ellis died slow and hard with that cancer, he had a terrible time of dying-- BM: --I went out and bought some corn off Ellis to fatten out some hogs. And-- MM: --and Lord, that was twenty years ago. Almost twenty years ago. BM: --I got talking to him that afternoon, and " ; Say, Ellis, when is the last time you ran off a batch of corn?" ; He said, " ; Oh, Bob, it' ; s been a good long time." ; He said, " ; I' ; ll tell you what, I' ; ll tell you where there' ; s a twenty-gallon keg of it buried." ; He said, " ; I buried it and I runned it off." ; MM: I guess it' ; s still there! BM: As far as I know it' ; s still there. MM: So it' ; s--Bob' ; s been-- BM: You know, [indecipherable] CK: You know, I guess there might be others that would dispute it but I--according to my particular knowledge of it, he made some of the best that-- BM: That' ; s right! CK: --that was run off in our country. I know about the only time that I ever really got a good, I got exposed to it, so to speak, I think they come over to the house and three men and dad were standing out in the yard and they had the bottle and so they started off and tilt that bottle up, you know, and finally it went around to all four men and then finally dad handed it to me and says, " ; Here, son," ; he said, " ; Here, take a swig." ; Well, you know, I thought I had some sodee-pop. BM: Yeah? CK: And, boy, so I turned that thing up like I would a sodee-pop bottle and I got me a mouthful and I learned quickly that the white lightening didn' ; t its name just because it was a white, or clear. It had something else-- BM: (laughs) CK: It had a little fire! And I don' ; t know that I have ever been burned so in all my life. I think that did help me, though, to one extent--I never have touched the stuff very much since. BM: (laughs) One one of old Ellis--he always, when he was making, he had a few of ' ; em that would come around, he' ; d get ' ; em to come around and [indecipherable] with him, especially when he was running off a batch. And you could just almost tell when old Ellis would run off a new batch-- CK: (laughs) BM: --' ; cause there' ; d be some old boy around over the country throw a big dance that weekend. CK: Well, you know, this is a lot of memories that you can have about a place and I guess one of the things that I--stands out most in my memory, you know--Ollie Hooky (ph) was--I don' ; t know exactly how good he was at his particular trade in that area, but I do know he was pretty good at selling it, anyway. We went with him one night down to country out of--somewhere down below here, out on the--to an Indian dance. You know, called ' ; em Indian stomp dances. MM: They still have them. CK: And so--but unknown to us, the car was lined with white lightening, and he was selling it to the, to the different Indians there at the dance. Well, I' ; ll tell you, I had a ball! I had, I was just big enough that I could slip in and out of line and I' ; d get ahold of a fellow in front of me, I' ; d get ahold of his hip pocket and here I' ; d go around that bonfire, stomping and dancing. Well, if that fellow in the front of me happened to have a bottle in his pocket, I slipped out of line right quick. I didn' ; t stay behind him. I' ; d get behind somebody that didn' ; t have a bottle, anyway. But that particular night-- MM: Why would you do that? CK: Huh? MM: Why would you-- CK: Well, I wasn' ; t particularly wanting to--the man in my--he didn' ; t have a bottle in his pocket, but I didn' ; t want--I was trying to get somebody that was maybe, may not have been quite so drunk as the other one (laughs), but that night we, as we' ; s sitting--and sitting there, or as the stomp dance continued, the deputy sheriffs in this county happened to find one of the men that they were looking for, and they couldn' ; t catch him. And he had jumped on a truck and was taking off and so the deputy took his gun and fired and shot the man, really. The leaves that--he shot through the tree and the leaves that fell off of the tree fell right down in mother' ; s lap. If the bullet had been just a few inches lower she would' ; ve--well it probably would have hit her instead of the man. But I' ; ll assure you one thing: when that shot rang out, that stomp dance no longer was a stomp dance but it turned into a war party. Those Indians jumped out, went to their teepees and they come out with knives and guns like you never seen. Well, Ollie (ph) and dad beat it to that car, throwed us kids in the back seat and I want you to know, that was one wild ride out of there that night. Now that' ; s one thing that stands out in my memory about that. MM: What were some of the kids' ; names that went to school with you? CK: Well, I really don' ; t remember a whole lot of ' ; em. Naturally Bob Imhousen (ph), then Lena Hooky (ph)-- MM: She must' ; ve been a pretty little girl. You keep talking about her. CK: Well, Lena (ph) was--she was my dancing partner at the different dances and I' ; ll assure you, we could cut a pretty good rug, I guarantee you. We' ; d--especially when Lena (ph) and I got started dancing, well, the whole dance floor cleared off and I' ; ll assure you we did the two-step. Now, if you had it today--I don' ; t know what you' ; d call that dance today but I' ; ll tell you what, I sure did enjoy those few times that we did get to dance together. (pause) But now, really, some of the others, I' ; m sitting here trying to remember, but I--the names of many of those children, or young people at that day, I guess just doesn' ; t--you know, that' ; s forty-four years ago, it doesn' ; t stay with me. Or it didn' ; t stay with me. BM: That' ; s right. CK: They didn' ; t make an impression on me like Bobby. (laughs) MM: And Lena. Bobby can fight and Lena can dance, huh? BM: There you go! There you go! (all laughing) end of interview audio 0 bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/app/Ohms/interview/Version3.phpOHP-011-01_Charles_Klock.xml OHP-011-01_Charles_Klock.xml
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Charles Lionel Klock, Sr
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In this 1977 interview, Charles Lionel Klock, Sr. (1927-2003) describes his very early childhood memories in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow, Oklahoma including fights with schoolmates, opossum hunting, the first time he ever tried corn mash alcohol (moonshine), and attending an Indian dance as a child.
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Several interviews were done by Mary and Bob Mc Carty of people who grew up in the Pinehill area north of Bristow. This collection is the Pinehill subset of the Bristow Oral Histories
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Robert L. "Bob" McCarty
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Clarence "Boyd" Myers
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5.4 OHP-0008-03 Clarence " ; Boyd" ; Myers OHP-0008-01 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Histories Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Clarence " ; Boyd" ; Myers Robert L. "Bob" McCarty MP3 1:|13(4)|39(15)|61(1)|87(2)|112(5)|135(1)|155(11)|174(13)|190(8)|211(3)|226(10)|238(14)|254(7)|288(6)|300(8)|326(7)|345(11)|363(5)|413(8)|433(5)|456(14)|488(2) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0008-01 Myers, Clarence.mp3 Other audio 0 Boyd Myers Family History BMC: This is an interview with Boyd Myers [indecipherable] 10/13/76, time 7:15. BM: That aggravates me every time I think of that—I think the government gave six thousand dollars to that plant down in Texas. And they say it’s gonna be covered with water. BMC: Boyd, on the Pinehill community, to your knowledge when did your dad come into that country? BM: You asked me that on the phone, I think it was 1908, I’m not sure. Boyd Myers talks of his family history in the Pinehill community Bernice ; Boyd ; Boyd Myers ; Bristow ; Burl ; Fay ; Kelly ; Mule Ellen ; Naomi ; Nellie May Blythe ; Pinehill ; Ray ; train ; Virgil Boyd Myers ; family history ; Pinehill Community 232 School Days BMC: To your knowledge, your mother never did go to school there at Pinehill, did she? BM: Oh, I definitely don’t think she did. BMC: How many of you children went to school there at Pinehill? BM: I guess all nine of us did. BMC: Do you remember your first teacher? Memories of school and fairs in the Pinehill community canning ; cattle ; crops ; Effie Curtis ; elections ; fairs ; pie suppers ; Pinehill School ; sewing ; township fair cattle ; crops ; fairs ; school 454 Oil wells, hunting, and school memories BMC: It was on a smaller scale. Well, do you remember hearing say when the first oil well was drilled in that community? BM: No, that was mentioned a while ago. I don’t remember where the first well was drilled. BMC: How old was you when you saw the first well in operation? BM: Well, Bob, most of the wells around there was gas wells. I can remember that they would drill for oil and probably get gas [indecipherable] and they didn’t have any way to cap these wells in like they do now and that gas would roar, come right down the creek and sound like it was close to the house as we were from the creek. And they would blow like that for days before they’d get stopped. Memories of the first oil well, hunting, and school friends and graduation hunting ; Milton Snow ; oil ; oil well ; Olive ; Olive High School oil wells ; Olive High School 705 Work after high school and trying tobacco BM: Well, I went the summer of 1933, after I graduated, I went to the wheat harvest in Kansas. I worked for a dollar and a quarter a day and that wasn’t an eight-hour day, that was from daylight to dark. BMC: That was from sunup, daylight, ‘til dark. BM: And we ate four meals a day. And then later on I came to Tulsa in 1936 and I begged to get a job making thirty-five cents a day. That a seven-day-a-week job, no overtime. I was born at the wrong time. BMC: Anything that you can think of that you’d want to add? Discussion of working after high school graduation, more school memories, and trying tobacco for the first time Beechnut tobacco ; Earnest Rhinehardt ; Floyd Wilson ; Kansas ; light bread ; syrup bucket ; wheat harvest trying tobacco ; working in wheat harvest 935 Farming and a new table BMC: When was the first time that you saw one of the old sorghum mills? BM: Well, now, that wasn’t a cane country right in there so I really don’t remember—seemed like Smith Bruce had one, I believe. Pulled it with a mule, I believe, I’m not too sure of that. BMC: I know there was quite a bit of sorghum cane, I expect about— MM: What did your dad raise out there? What did he raise on his farm? BM: In the agricultural line? Farming memories and the making of a table from a walnut tree corn ; cotton ; grain ; Smith Bruce ; sorghum ; soybeans ; Winkey Creek Bridge Farming ; tables ; walnut 1126 Motorcycles and College BMC: What year—I know that what all [indecipherable] I know that Burl and his first wife made certain trips to California on [indecipherable]. What year did you boys start riding motorcycles? BM: Well, I’d have to do some figuring. I was sixteen when I got my first one. Burl started prior to that, so thirteen to sixteen would be— MM: Twenty-nine. BMC: Twenty-eight or ’29. BM: That’s about it. But Burl started probably in ’24 or ’25. Memories of riding motorcycles and college Bristow ; Business College ; California ; college ; Edmond ; Junior College ; motocycles college ; Riding Motorcycles In this 1976 interview, Clarence “Boyd” Myers (1913-1979) discusses his father’s arrival in the Pinehill Community, his siblings, the Pinehill School and his classmates, early agriculture and cattle, oil drilling in the community, social events such as pie suppers, his early adulthood working in Kansas during the wheat harvest, and the first time he ever tried chewing tobacco. BMC: This is an interview with Boyd Myers [indecipherable] 10/13/76, time 7:15. BM: That aggravates me every time I think of that--I think the government gave six thousand dollars to that plant down in Texas. And they say it' ; s gonna be covered with water. BMC: Boyd, on the Pinehill community, to your knowledge when did your dad1 come into that country? BM: You asked me that on the phone, I think it was 1908, I' ; m not sure. BMC: Now we' ; re on tape. How many brothers came in there with him? How many came in there with him with the Myers family? Do you-- BM: He came alone. BMC: He came alone? BM: He came in on the train, I remember time and time again he told me that he had $7.50 in his pocket when he got in Bristow. BM: When he settled in there, he settled there on the old home place? Or did he settle some place else and then buy the old home place up here? MM: [Inaudible.] BM: I don' ; t know. BMC: Did you ever hear him say what the first place that he lived? BM: I don' ; t remember. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: You got that tape on now? BMC: Yep. BM: Let me tell you something that it wouldn' ; t hurt for this to be taped: You know his nickname was Mule Ellen (ph), did you ever hear that? BMC: Yep, I did. BM: Well, he got the name right there at that school. He was showing off for the girls there, and he rode that mule around that school building and I guess he done everything to-- MM: That sounds like your dad. BM: --that you' ; d expect a mule to do, and they all laughed and carried on ' ; cause the mule didn' ; t behave too well, and that' ; s where he got the name Mule Ellen (ph). BMC: What year, Boyd, was your dad and mother married? BM: I don' ; t know that, either. Well, Verna' ; d (ph) have that in the Bible, she' ; s got the old Bible. MM: We gone and talked to her on-- BMC: I talked to her about forty-five minutes last night. Do--your mother and dad' ; s marriage, how many children were there? I know the answer to it, but-- BM: Nine. BMC: Nine. There was--names were what? BM: Burl, Virgil, Bernice, Boyd, Kelly, Ray, Fay, and (inaudible). BMC: And Naomi. MM: You forgot Naomi. BM: I skipped one, didn' ; t I? Naomi was just younger than Kelly, right. BMC: Right. MM: He needs your mother' ; s maiden name. BMC: Your mother' ; s maiden name was-- BM: Nellie May2. BMC: Nellie May Blythe. BM: B-L-Y-T-H-E. Most people called them " ; Bly," ; B-L-Y, but it' ; s B-L-Y-T-H-E. MM: (inaudible) BMC: To your knowledge, your mother never did go to school there at Pinehill, did she? BM: Oh, I definitely don' ; t think she did. BMC: How many of you children went to school there at Pinehill? BM: I guess all nine of us did. BMC: Do you remember your first teacher? BM: Yes, Effie Curtis (ph). She whopped me about every day. MM: (laughing) BMC: You must' ; ve been an ornery little stinker. UW: [Inaudible.] BM: Don' ; t tell Mike this. UW: --more like our grandson. BMC: What all activities--to your knowledge, what all activity was the school used for? BM: Other than the ABC' ; s, you mean? BMC: Other than the ABC' ; s, other than school purposes. What all was the school used for? What was all the schoolhouse used for, besides the ABC learning? BM: Well, I can remember the pie suppers, I can remember the fairs that I mentioned, and I can remember the elections, and the voting precinct, well elections, I mentioned that. UW: Church. BM: It was used for church, also. BMC: And singing groups. UW: [Inaudible.] BM: Well, church is all I remember. BMC: You said something on--you said fairs. I want you to confirm what I already have: What type of fair was this? BM: It' ; s what they called a township fair. It was a small community fair. BMC: At this fair, what all was exhibited? BM: Oh, just home products like you would at the county fairs, only on a small scale. BMC: Did you ever take anything to these county fairs? BM: I definitely did. BMC: What did you take? BM: Cattle and crops that we grew on the farm. BMC: Did you personally, did you ever win anything at these fairs? BM: Oh, I don' ; t recall but I' ; m sure we did. BMC: To your knowledge, who was the judges at these fairs? BM: I don' ; t remember. MM: [Indecipherable] Dowdy was judge at the-- BM: I think he did, but I don' ; t remember. MM: What did the women show at the fair? BM: Well, they had their sewing and canning and just like they would at the larger fairs, only it was on a smaller scale. BMC: It was on a smaller scale. Well, do you remember hearing say when the first oil well was drilled in that community? BM: No, that was mentioned a while ago. I don' ; t remember where the first well was drilled. BMC: How old was you when you saw the first well in operation? BM: Well, Bob, most of the wells around there was gas wells. I can remember that they would drill for oil and probably get gas [indecipherable] and they didn' ; t have any way to cap these wells in like they do now and that gas would roar, come right down the creek and sound like it was close to the house as we were from the creek. And they would blow like that for days before they' ; d get stopped. BMC: Well they can' ; t cap those-- MM: Did you ask him about the [indecipherable] BMC: Whenever you were growing up, what game was there in that part--in that community? For hunting purposes? BM: Oh, rabbits and squirrels. We' ; d try to trap skunks and opossum and maybe go opossum hunting at night. And fish, we' ; d go down there and catch these little catfish about that big. But we didn' ; t have much time for that, dad kept us busy all the time. BMC: Oh, I know. MM: [Inaudible.] BMC: And your schooling there in Pinehill, do you remember the kids that graduated with you from the eighth grade? BM: Yes, I do. Milton Snow (ph). BMC: Would you name the ones that graduated from the eighth grade with you? BM: Name all of them? BMC: If you can. BM: Well he' ; s definitely one of them, and I can' ; t--I don' ; t remember the rest of them. BMC: What year was that? BM: Well that little old [indecipherable] and I was five when they started, I was born in 1913. BMC: Well, that would put you in school about 1918. MM: [Inaudible.] BMC: And that would put you roughly graduating from Pinehill school in either ' ; 26 or ' ; 27. BM: Well, you figure eight years from the time I started, that' ; d been ' ; 28. BMC: Let' ; s check back here and make sure that that' ; s right. Check back here on 1918, see what, what' ; s on the school rolls in 1918. (sound of pages flipping) BM: I say it' ; d be ' ; 27. BMC: What year, Boyd, did you leave that community? (sound of pages flipping) BM: Well, I went to high school at Bristow for three years, then I missed a year and wound up at Olive and graduated from high school. BMC: You graduated from Olive High School? Then after you graduated from high school you went into what type of business? BM: Well, I went the summer of 1933, after I graduated, I went to the wheat harvest in Kansas. I worked for a dollar and a quarter a day and that wasn' ; t an eight-hour day, that was from daylight to dark. BMC: That was from sunup, daylight, ' ; til dark. BM: And we ate four meals a day. And then later on I came to Tulsa in 1936 and I begged to get a job making thirty-five cents a day. That a seven-day-a-week job, no overtime. I was born at the wrong time. BMC: Anything that you can think of that you' ; d want to add? MM: Did he steal any watermelons? BMC: What, honey? MM: Did you ever steal any watermelons? BM: Not any more than I could eat. MM: Who raised the best watermelons? BM: I really don' ; t know. No, we didn' ; t--I can truthfully say I don' ; t remember us stealing watermelons. MM: Did you ever steal any chickens? BM: Oh, no, no. MM: You didn' ; t go on any of them chicken roasts? BM: No, never did. I' ; ve tried to carry two watermelons on a horse and if you think that isn' ; t fun--and the horse steps on a watermelon. MM: Who was the best girl, who was your girlfriend while you was going to school? BM: Oh, I liked all the girls. But you know, I didn' ; t know there was a difference between boys and girls ' ; til I was about six! BMC: About six you found out-- MM: [Inaudible.] BMC: Yeah, tell me about that, that boy [indecipherable] little bit better than that, he found out about three, I think. MM: Did you ever put any girls' ; pigtails in the inkwell? BMC: Some mischief, what mischief did you get in at school? MM: And I' ; m sure he must' ; ve done some-- BM: Well, I don' ; t know whether you' ; d call this mischief or not but I don' ; t mind telling it, I told you this--they had those outdoor houses at that time, and we was out there one day and that' ; s when I was five years old, that was my first year at school, and Earnest Rhinehardt (ph) and Floyd Wilson (ph) came up there. And they had some Beechnut tobacco and they insisted that I take a chew of tobacco. Well, I didn' ; t want it but they insisted and I started to--well, I put it in my mouth, I couldn' ; t hide it, it burned my mouth. I started to spit it out and they said, " ; Don' ; t spit it out!" ; They said, " ; It' ; ll get sweet after a while." ; Well I don' ; t know whether it got sweet or not, but I started going in circles. And I had the biggest piece of vanilla cake in my gallon bucket that I carried my lunch in, and I couldn' ; t no more eat that cake than I could fly. Oh, it made me sick. MM: What kind of bucket? Syrup bucket or a lard bucket? BM: Syrup, it was a syrup bucket. MM: What' ; d you carry in lunches, we' ; ve never asked anybody. What' ; d they put in your lunches? Biscuits? Probably biscuits. BM: Mom made a lot of light bread. I imagine it was light bread sandwiches. MM: What' ; d you put on ' ; em? BM: Well, I remember one thing was peanut butter and jelly. MM: Your dad always killed a lot of hogs so you had plenty of meat. BMC: Boyd, when was the first time-- MM: Probably sausage sandwich, that I would imagine. BMC: When was the first time that you saw one of the old sorghum mills? BM: Well, now, that wasn' ; t a cane country right in there so I really don' ; t remember--seemed like Smith Bruce had one, I believe. Pulled it with a mule, I believe, I' ; m not too sure of that. BMC: I know there was quite a bit of sorghum cane, I expect about-- MM: What did your dad raise out there? What did he raise on his farm? BM: In the agricultural line? MM: What did he raise, uh-huh, something besides kids? (laughs) BMC: In the agricultural line, what all did Alex3 raise? BM: Well, the money crop, if there was any money, was cotton. And corn and small grain. But in the later years they tried to grow soybeans--and grow ' ; em but they didn' ; t have any way to harvest them. MM: Your mother was good at canning and stuff. BM: Oh, mom worked all the time. She would churn this old-type churn and be reading the Bible or some other book at the same time. BMC: I can' ; t think of anything else. MM: Oh what about that--who made that table and chairs, and talk about how that was made up, your mother [indecipherable]. Somebody told me that you [indecipherable] something you made, a dining room set. BM: Oh, that' ; s after we got into high school. Fay and Ray made the chairs, I think Kelly made the table. MM: Tell us about that. BM: Well, this was mom' ; s idea again. Money was very scarce, we didn' ; t have any money. Lot of times we' ; d be Sunday' ; d roll around and they' ; d all go to town and I wouldn' ; t even go to town. Why should I go to town, I didn' ; t have any money. So this big nice walnut tree was down there close to Winkey Creek Bridge and mom suggested we cut that tree and cure it and use it in the school--at Bristow High School. So that' ; s where the table and chairs went. MM: Tell us about-- BMC: That' ; s what table and chairs-- MM: I know, but I want to know what kind of table, I want him to tell us about it-- BM: Well they was walnut. MM: Walnut? BM: Walnut dining table. MM: How many sit the table, how many chairs? BM: Well I believe there was six chairs, isn' ; t that right? UW: Did Bernice have those? Didn' ; t she have those? BM: No, Fay and Ray made the chairs. And Kelly made the table. UW: Well I know--who has them, though? I know who made them but who has them? BM: Well [inaudible]. BMC: In later years-- BM: Bernie has them now. BMC: Bernie has them now. BM: Right. BMC: Is that right? MM: I' ; ve heard about those, that they were things of outstanding beauty, like art. BM: Well, I' ; ll show you what I made for [indecipherable]. MM: Okay, what did you make? BMC: Uh-- BM: I made a chifforobe out of solid oak. MM: Cut it off the property again? BM: No, no, I did not. BMC: What year--I know that what all [indecipherable] I know that Burl and his first wife made certain trips to California on [indecipherable]. What year did you boys start riding motorcycles? BM: Well, I' ; d have to do some figuring. I was sixteen when I got my first one. Burl started prior to that, so thirteen to sixteen would be-- MM: Twenty-nine. BMC: Twenty-eight or ' ; 29. BM: That' ; s about it. But Burl started probably in ' ; 24 or ' ; 25. BMC: And how many of you boys at the present time, how many boys still ride those motorcycles? BM: Fay rides as a hobby. MM: Kelly? Does he ride? UW: Burl still rides [indecipherable]. BMC: Well that time I talked to Burl, he was, he was talkin' ; about hunting, hunting deer. BM: Well he sold his motorcycle and I doubt whether he rides now or not. MM: Kelly probably rides to games-- BM: Well I' ; m sure Kelly rides with his kids. BMC: Well is Kelly, is he still in the trick riding business? BM: Oh, no, no. Kelly got banged up and then he, he wouldn' ; t look at a motorcycle until the kids got of age and then he got back into it again. But no trick riding or anything like that. BMC: Just normal, just normal everyday riding. MM: Well the kids your age, all of you kids are better than average educated. How many of you went to college? BM: Well, I don' ; t know whether we' ; re better than average. We, we finished high school and Kelly went a little bit to the junior college there in Bristow. UW: Brooke (ph) went on to business college. BM: Yeah, she went to business college. UW: And Bernice-- BM: Well, now, she went to Edmond. UW: She was-- BM: --to teacher' ; s college. UW: --engineering-- BM: But she probably wouldn' ; t even want to hear about that. She started, and would go a while and then have to teach and then go back again and have to teach on account of finances-- UW: I think it' ; s commendable that people can do that-- BMC: Yes, I agree, but I really think that-- MM: I think, I think, I know that they did better than average-- UW: It' ; s hard to do, but they, you know, she did it. BM: Well, mom was the driver along that line. She always encouraged education. And believe it or not, they wanted to send me on to engineering school, but I couldn' ; t--I couldn' ; t stand for them to be working at home and me be off to school. UW: [Inaudible.] end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0008-01_Myers_Clarence.xml OHP-0008-01_Myers_Clarence.xml
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In this 1976 interview, Clarence “Boyd” Myers (1913-1979) discusses his father’s arrival in the Pinehill Community, his siblings, the Pinehill School and his classmates, early agriculture and cattle, oil drilling in the community, social events such as pie suppers, his early adulthood working in Kansas during the wheat harvest, and the first time he ever tried chewing tobacco.
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Elsa Ray Self
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5.4 Unknown Date OHP-0001-002 Elsa Ray Self OHP-0001-02 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Pinehill Community church school teachers roads Elsa Ray Self MP3 1:|19(8)|45(8)|64(6)|79(3)|98(9)|118(4)|147(2)|173(3) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0001-02 Self, Elsa.mp3 Other audio 0 School Teachers BM: --recording everything you say. MM: It is—oh just stop it just for a minute to, and get start- stop it just for a minute BM: Alright, just— pause in recording ES: The first building was, uh, one mile south of the last building and a quarter mile east. Then the third building—the second building was, uh, a quarter of a mile west of the last building there. The last building was in the corner right here— Memories of teachers and school in the Pinehill Community Bob Lucas ; church ; Edith Whiteneck ; Etta Logan ; Mark Schockley ; school ; teachers school ; teachers 161 Oil, Fairs, and Church BM: Yeah. Now on the history situation, Elsa, is there anything in particular that you can think of that we ought to put down here in this history, that history on that thing? Like these, this oilfield stuff through here--something on that order there, is there any history on that that you can think of that we might ought to put in, in that. ES: No, I think not. This oil development started in here in the early twenties. I’ve got eleven wells on my place here, and the first one was drilled in 1923. And there was a few up in the north of there, north of here toward Pinehill, but I don’t know how close. Discussion on oil wells, churches, and fairs Charles Thomas ; church ; fairs ; literaries ; Mr. Rufus ; oil ; Pinehill ; statehood drilling ; fairs ; oil ; school 353 Land Development and a Hilarious Interruption BM: On developing this thing out this far in this country through here in 19--when you came back through here, who was some of the more prominent people that helped, was helping in on that at that time? ES: On what? BM: On helping get these roads and things built through here? In the community, helping get these roads built and— Discussion of land and road development and a hilarious interruption. Bruce ; Indians ; Molt Bruce ; Perrymans ; Pinehill ; roads ; Stubblesfields ; Velma Vann development ; roads In this 1976 interview, Elsa Ray Self (1901-1984) discusses the first pre-statehood buildings constructed in the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma, the first teachers at the Pinehill School, the identities of some of the first families to settle in the area, and early drilling activity in the region. BM: --recording everything you say. MM: It is--oh just stop it just for a minute to, and get start- stop it just for a minute BM: Alright, just-- pause in recording ES: The first building was, uh, one mile south of the last building and a quarter mile east. Then the third building--the second building was, uh, a quarter of a mile west of the last building there. The last building was in the corner right here-- BM: Right. ES: Now then, they had a little church house a mile south of that, uh, old building, of the fir--the last building, and it was just a church house that stayed there a year, a few years. (pauses) Now, the people who lived here I' ; ve known many of them. BM: Uh, now, here' ; s a question, Elsa do you remember the first, the first teacher that taught-- ES: No. No, I haven' ; t lived here all my life, so-- MM: Which is the first teacher you remember? BM: Which, which is the first teacher that you remembered? ES: Well it might' ; ve been Bob Lucas. BM: Bob Lucas. Well, see I have one back before Bob Lucas, that was, uh, Mark Shockley. ES: Mark Shockley, yes, I remember Mark-- MM: [Inaudible] BM: Then there' ; s one, uh, one before him, there was a lady before him by the name of Edith Whiteneck and another by Eddie, uh, what is that name? You got it wrote down there, that was after Edith Whiteneck-- MM: Hicks. BM: Hicks, yeah, what was that Hicks' ; last--first name. MM: Etta, uh Edith Whiteneck, Etta Logan, and then something Hicks. ES: Well that' ; s before I came here. I didn' ; t come here until, didn' ; t move here until 1922. BM: 1922 ES: I owned this place since 19-and-02. BM: Well that, that' ; s what I know. ES: I owned this, well, I owned this place since 19-and-02 and I could tell you people who lived here, well, but these uh school buildings here I just know about them. BM: Yeah. Now on the history situation, Elsa, is there anything in particular that you can think of that we ought to put down here in this history, that history on that thing? Like these, this oilfield stuff through here--something on that order there, is there any history on that that you can think of that we might ought to put in, in that. ES: No, I think not. This oil development started in here in the early twenties. I' ; ve got eleven wells on my place here, and the first one was drilled in 1923. And there was a few up in the north of there, north of here toward Pinehill, but I don' ; t know how close. UW: Well that number one was the first oil well that went---ever drilled in here. ES: No it wasn' ; t. UW: At that time. ES: It wasn' ; t. BM: Is there anything that you can think of that-- ES: Now, I went to church in this first building right up here, way down here back before statehood. I remember going there to church before statehood. My father was a minister and he went there and preached once in a while. But then when that building burned they moved it north and northwest. MM: What about the literaries? BM: Do you remember anything on those old time literaries that they had? ES: No. UW: They was over by the time he was back. MM: What about the fairs? BM: Do you know anything about fair that was held? Fairs that was held? ES: No. MM: At Pinehill School itself. ES: No. MM: Starting about middle of 1928, ' ; 29 out there. At the school itself, a fair. UW: Do you know when, uh, that was during Mrs. Rufus' ; time, I was substituting there for her and, uh, they was having a literary going-on there then because I was in a play that was there. BM: Okay--so you' ; re helping out here too. ES: I did a little substitute work there for Charles Thomas. BM: Yeah, I knew that. ES: But not much. BM: On developing this thing out this far in this country through here in 19--when you came back through here, who was some of the more prominent people that helped, was helping in on that at that time? ES: On what? BM: On helping get these roads and things built through here? In the community, helping get these roads built and-- ES: Well, I' ; d say the Bruces, Bruce families-- tape hilariously interrupted KID1: (excitedly) --and the top comes off, and it' ; s got little benches, and everything! Don' ; t we, mama! KID2: Mama! DAD: What the hell goin' ; on here! Somebody been playin' ; with this damn thing again? MOM: [Indecipherable.] No, what ya did, turned on them on or somethin' ; , did you wind it back? DAD: Yeah. MOM: I gotta do it again? DAD: Nope. tape continues ES: And then there was Vann, Velma (ph) Vann was here, he lived here on my place. Stubblefields lived here from 1902 to 1912, they must' ; ve had quite a bit to do with it. BM: Well see, that-- ES: Stubblefield. BM: Stubblefield. MM: What years did the Vanns lived on this place? ES: Well, they lived here, I' ; d say, uh, 1912 to about ' ; 17, 1917. They lived here five, six years. MM: If you' ; d ever let me in it, you wouldn' ; t have got me out, this is a nice, my idea of an ideal place to live. ES: Pinehill? MM: No, this place right here. ES: Oh. (laughs) Well-- MM: What about the [inaudible] BM: Alright, let' ; s kind of-- MM: --' ; cause they still, they still own the property there across from where the school was, they was the Perrymans and the Bruces and-- ES: Yeah, they were Indians. Yeah, they was an Indian lived east of that there and she was, he was Molt Bruce' ; s wife' ; s brother but I forget his name, terrible with his name. BM: Noble? ES: I' ; m not certain whether it was Noble, or-- MM: Well they say one of the Perrymans owned this-- ES: Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn' ; t know who-- end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0001-01_Elsa_Self.xml OHP-0001-01_Elsa_Self.xml
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In this 1976 interview, Elsa Ray Self (1901-1984) discusses the first pre-statehood buildings constructed in the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma, the first teachers at the Pinehill School, the identities of some of the first families to settle in the area, and early drilling activity in the region.
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Pinehill Community
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Bob McCarty
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George Krumme
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5.4 OHP-0002-04 George Krumme Bristow Quadrangle OHP-0002-04 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Bristow Historical Society, Inc. natural gas, drilling, Hoppy Toad Oil Company, George Krumme Bob McCarty MP3 1:|9(4)|20(13)|30(1) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0002-04 Krumme, Geo.mp3 Other audio 0 Drilling in Bristow Quadrangle GK: According to Bulletin 759 by A.E. Fath of the Oklahoma Geolog-of the United States Geological Survey on the geology of the Bristow Quadrangle in Creek County, Oklahoma which was printed in 1925 but the work began on it-field work for it-began in 1915, the first well drilled in 17-93 was drilled in section 36 by Oklahoma Natural Gas Company. Drilling of the second and third successful natural gas wells in the Bristow Quadrangle A.E. Fath ; Bristow Quadrangle ; drilling ; Glen Freeman ; Hoppy Toad Oil Company ; Oklahoma Natural Gas Company Drilling for natural gas in Bristow Quadrangle https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0759/report.pdf Geology of the Bristow Quadrangle Creek County, Oklahoma In this brief 1976 interview, George Krumme (1923- ) discusses a 1925 United States Geological Survey geological report covering the “Bristow Quadrangle” oilfield area and early oilfield companies in the area. BM: This is an interview with George Krumme from the oil company on the location, the survey company, of the first well that was drilled in the Pinehill Community. GK: According to Bulletin 759 by A.E. Fath of the Oklahoma Geolog--of the United States Geological Survey on the geology of the Bristow Quadrangle in Creek County, Oklahoma which was printed in 1925 but the work began on it--field work for it--began in 1915, the first well drilled in 17-9 was drilled in section 36 by Oklahoma Natural Gas Company. They drilled--they found a gas stand at a depth of 990 to 1,010 feet, which would be, I' ; m sure, the Cleveland sand, and they encountered an initial flow of seven million cubic feet a day. They turned the gas into their twelve-inch line which at that time ran through just south of where that well would be and carried gas to Oklahoma City from the oilfields of eastern Oklahoma. In 1917, the well was re-opened after having been shut down for some time and at that time its open flow capacity was 350,000 cubic feet a day and the rock pressure was 375 pounds. It was the second successful well in the Bristow Quadrangle according to Fath. pause in recording GK: --Fath, in 1913, another well was drilled in 17-9 in section 29 and also in 1913 a well was drilled in section 33, 17-9. And unless I' ; m wrong, that well in section thirte--33 was the well they called the " ; Hoppy Toad Well" ; because it was drilled by the Hoppy Toad Oil Company which was one of the companies of the Freeland brothers. Glen Freeland worked on that well and my brothers--my brother and I, my brother Harlan and I--are married to sisters. Their father, F.S. Freeland, worked on that well in 1913 out on Wild Horse Prairie, just north of highway 66, and was drilling on it and caught some--I forgot whether it was typhoid or some ailment and didn' ; t finish completing the well. And he told us about where the well is, I know exactly where it is, on the north side of the road on Wild Horse Prairie. So those are the first three wells drilled according to Fath. end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0002-04_George_Krumme_Oct_1976.xml OHP-0002-04_George_Krumme_Oct_1976.xml
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In this brief 1976 interview, George Krumme (1923- ) discusses a 1925 United States Geological Survey geological report covering the “Bristow Quadrangle” oilfield area and early oilfield companies in the area.
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Interviewer
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Robert L. “Bob” McCarty
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Ira Lester Jones
Bonnie Muriel (West) Jones
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School
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5.4 OHP-0005-01 Ira and Bonnie Jones OHP-0005-01 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Pinehill Community and School Pinehill School Ira Lester Jones Bonnie Muriel (West) Jones Robert L. “Bob” McCarty MP3 1:|24(9)|46(5)|88(2)|106(10)|137(8)|158(4)|193(2)|225(8) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0005-01 Jones, Lester & ; Bonnie.mp3 Other audio 0 Life in Pinehill BM: What year, Lester, wait a minute, let me back up a minute. This is a tape of Lester Jones and his wife in their home living room, 10/18/76, time 7:30. Lester, what, what year was it that you was in the Pinehill community? LJ: Nineteen-and-twenty-five. BM: Did you ever go to school here? LJ: No. Life in Pinehill and the cattle operation cattle ; Indian land ; Lester Jones ; Molton Bruce ; Pinehill cattle ; Pinehill 120 Blackberry Thicket MM: What about the blackberry thicket? BM: What about that blackberry thicket that you— LJ: That blackberry— BM: --started telling me about a while ago. Memories of picking blackberries blackberry blackberry 184 People of Pinehill LJ: Yeah. I remember Walt Bolin (ph). BM: Up in the north. LJ: He lived on the north side of Polecat going straight north to Pinehill school. And his mule kicked him! And he had a scar of this mule’s foot on his-a lot of, some people called him “Mule Tracks.” BM: Do you remember a Frank Bruce? The people of Pinehill and Indian allotments Allotment of land ; Arthur Roberts ; Bob Lucas ; cemetery ; Curtis Scott ; Elsa Self ; Frank Bruce ; Indians ; oats ; Pinehill School ; Polecat ; slaves ; Smith Bruce ; steam thrasher ; Sunrise ; two room school ; wagon ; Walt Bolin ; wheat Allotment of land ; Pinehill 371 Moving to Pinehill and more Pinehill classmates BJ: Now didn’t you go to school at Pinehill? LJ: No, no. BJ: I thought you went to school there! Just lived there? Remembering more people in the Pinehill Community Ed Abraham ; Florence Stanley ; Pickett Prairie ; Pinehill ; Posey Place ; Theodore Abraham ; Velma Carson Classmates ; Pinehill School In this 1976 interview, Ira Lester Jones (1908-1988) and wife Bonnie Muriel (West) Jones (1908-1983) discuss their early life in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow in Creek County, Oklahoma, including picking blackberries, thrashing wheat and oats with a steam-powered thrasher, and the names of some of their classmates and neighbors in the community. BM: What year, Lester, wait a minute, let me back up a minute. This is a tape of Lester Jones and his wife in their home living room, 10/18/76, time 7:30. Lester, what, what year was it that you was in the Pinehill community? LJ: Nineteen-and-twenty-five. BM: Did you ever go to school here? LJ: No. BM: What was some of the things that you remember happening there in the Pinehill community? LJ: Well, one of the main things was Mote Bruce' ; s cattle operation. BM: What do you mean by Mote Bruce' ; s cattle operation? LJ: The way, now on these places that he had this Indian land range and he always reserved the stock field. And he grazed these, these cattle and these, in those creek bottoms in the wintertime, that' ; s where he wanted them. BM: Anything else that you remember? LJ: And remember real well a one-legged colored man that-- BM: What was his name? LJ: All I remember is " ; Big Boy." ; He had both of his legs--I' ; m sorry, he--both legs were off. And, one below his knee and one above his knee. And he picked cottons walking on his knees, and he pick four-fifty, four hundred fifty pounds of cotton a day out of the, out of the creek bottoms. BM: You said something while ago that you knew my mother and you knew my dad. What year did you get acquainted with them? LJ: Well I got acquainted with them in 1924. BM: Anything in particular that you remember happened, that was before my time. Anything that you remember happened that--with them in particular? LJ: Well, yeah. I thought about what a nice neighbor they, that family was a lot of times. Real, real nice people. MM: What about the blackberry thicket? BM: What about that blackberry thicket that you-- LJ: That blackberry-- BM: --started telling me about a while ago. LJ: --more rabbits in it, more blackberries, and a few snakes, than any patch of blackberries I ever seen in my life. It was one acre of solid wild blackberries. Me and Casey went over and we picked a tubful of blackberries in about three hours. Number--number one washtub. BM: You remember that spring that was here by that old blackberry patch? LJ: No. No, I don' ; t remember a spring. BM: It was right south of the blackberry thicket. LJ: Oh is that right? BM: Uh, no, it wasn' ; t that blackberry thicket, it was right around it. It was right around that spring. LJ: Yeah? Well we just went in the west side over there next to Casey' ; s place and we just, we just went out in there, in there, and we just picked right in one little spot there. Oh, it was place bigger than this house, you see. But I never, I ain' ; t never seen such-- MM: Just picked until you got tired? LJ: Ma' ; am? MM: Just picked until you got tired? LJ: Just picked ' ; til we got a tubful and went to the house. BM: Now this old spring that I was speaking about a while ago, it' ; s still there as of today. LJ: Yeah? MM: The blackberry patch is not there. BM: The blackberry patch is gone. LJ: Yeah. I remember Walt Bolin (ph). BM: Up in the north. LJ: He lived on the north side of Polecat going straight north to Pinehill school. And his mule kicked him! And he had a scar of this mule' ; s foot on his-a lot of, some people called him " ; Mule Tracks." ; BM: Do you remember a Frank Bruce? LJ: Real well. Used to work for Frank, let' ; s see--I was about, about thirteen or fourteen, just getting big enough to go to the thrashin' ; and help ' ; em thrash. We hauled a bundle wagon. Hauled wheat and oats in to his place down in the pasture. The Roberts boys here at Bristow, colored--these two colored men? They, they were, they had that was their thrashing machine. Steam thrasher. BM: You mentioned Roberts a while ago. Did you by any chance know that they were some of the freedmen that were in this community? LJ: No, but I figured maybe they was. I figured maybe they was. MM: But you did know that the freedmen were out here to the allotments along this-- LJ: Oh yes, they, they were slaves of the Indians, right. BM: This Arthur Roberts, Arthur Roberts still lives on his allotment that he was allotted whenever they--his dad came to this part of the country and had taken out his allotment. Arthur Roberts still lives on his land of allotment. LJ: Yeah. BM: His sister, Irene, lives on hers. LJ: Yeah. MM: And Elsa Still still lives on-- BM: Elsa Self still lives on his original-- LJ: We used to--or I went to school at Sunrise when Elsa' ; s wife was teaching. But she was--they had a two-room school and Claudie was in--he taught the other grades. I was in the, in the, Self' ; s-- BM: Well, Elsa taught there, taught there too. LJ: Yeah. BM: He' ; s got a miniature school building of the first Pinehill--uh, Sunrise school-- LJ: Yeah, we' ; ve seen it. We' ; ve seen it. BM: --with all the pictures and everything in it. LJ: He had it over to the cemetery one day, at Sunrise. BM: Who was some of the other people that you remember in there, Lester? LJ: I remember the-- BM: I mean at that time, now. At that time. LJ: Curtis Scott (ph). He lived a mile and a half south of Pinehill school. And ' ; course I knew all the, all the Bruce family. Not, not all of them. Smith Bruce, he lived in there. And Bob Lucas, knew them well, goes to school there at Pinehill. MM: Mrs. Lucas comes to the reunion every year and won' ; t eat bite, she' ; s afraid she' ; ll miss some gossip. LJ: Oh, well that' ; s--(laughs) MM: [Inaudible] is something else. LJ: Yeah, that' ; s where I first--first knew him was at-- BJ: Now didn' ; t you go to school at Pinehill? LJ: No, no. BJ: I thought you went to school there! Just lived there? LJ: No, we--I went to school with Casey, the fall of ' ; 25, and of course I was out in there for the whole two years Casey was there, you see. But we moved from right here on the Posey place, we moved to Pickett Prairie. BM: When you left the Posey place, then you moved to Pickett Prairie. LJ: Mmm-hmm. BJ: Now we could talk about Pinehill [inaudible]. LJ: Yeah. BJ: They even went to school there. LJ: There was a Florence Stanley, the name is Florence, and Jake--he lived [inaudible] (tape garbled). BM: [Indecipherable.] MM: Ellen and-- BM: Ellen was [inaudible] (tape garbled). LJ: And-- BM: Ellen was the oldest, then Myrtle. MM: Myrtle. LJ: Yeah. That' ; s--was a Carson girl that married Claude Bruce. BM: That was Velma Carson. LJ: Velma, yeah. MM: We interviewed Claude yesterday. LJ: Yeah? Claude' ; d be a lot of help on that thing. BM: No, he hadn' ; t [indecipherable] brother was more help than--[inaudible] (tape garbled) BM: --baby brother was more help. MM: They are writing a history but I' ; ve heard [inaudible] (tape garbled) BM: Claude did real well on his [inaudible] (tape garbled) LJ: Yeah. BM: When you were in there [inaudible] (tape garbled) BM: Did you ever help out [inaudible] (tape garbled) LJ: And I tell you something [inaudible] (tape garbled) LJ: Theodore Abraham, he had a big cattle--[inaudible] (tape garbled) LJ: --bought the cattle, and Ed Abraham was his father. BM: Right. LJ: And they were a big operator, had a big store and they dealt with the farmers a lot. That was Theodore, they used to be a [indecipherable] here. BM: Can you think of anything else you might want to ask him? end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0005-01_Ira_Jones.xml OHP-0005-01_Ira_Jones.xml
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Ira and Bonnie Jones
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In this 1976 interview, Ira Lester Jones (1908-1988) and wife Bonnie Muriel (West) Jones (1908-1983) discuss their early life in the Pinehill Community outside Bristow in Creek County, Oklahoma, including picking blackberries, thrashing wheat and oats with a steam-powered thrasher, and the names of some of their classmates and neighbors in the community.
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Pinehill Community and School
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1976-10-18
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Several interviews were done by Mary and Bob Mc Carty of people who grew up in the Pinehill area north of Bristow. This collection is the Pinehill subset of the Bristow Oral Histories
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Bristow Historical Society, oral history collection
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Robert L. “Bob” McCarty
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John Rossander
Iva Irene (Millhouse) Rossander
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Pinehill
oil
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cotton
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5.4 OHP-0005-02 John and Iva Rossander OHP-0005-02 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Pinehill Community and School Pinehill oil farming cotton John Rossander Iva Irene (Millhouse) Rossander Robert L. “Bob” McCarty MP3 1:|27(6)|49(2)|67(3)|83(2)|91(9)|105(9)|129(4)|150(7)|183(1)|215(14)|233(12)|265(5)|309(3)|344(7)|365(8)|401(9)|416(10)|436(14)|447(11)|466(5)|480(2)|488(18)|502(6)|514(3)|532(9)|550(8)|564(11)|591(3) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0005-02 Rossander, John & ; Iva.mp3 Other audio 0 Making the move to Pinehil BM: --here with John Rossander and Iva Rossander in their home, 10/22/1976 time 20 minutes ‘til four. pause in tape BM: John, what year did your mother and dad come into this community? JR: Nineteen-nine. BM: What was their names? JR: Zeke and Sarah Rossander. Discussion of moving to the Pinehill community Iva Rossander ; John Rossander ; Pinehill ; Sarah Rossander ; Zeke Rossander Pinehill ; Rossander 91 Pinehill School BM: How many of them went to the Pinehill School? JR: Well, every one of them except—no, let’s see, there’s four: Rubilee (ph)—I mean Maudie (ph), Rubilee (ph), Alice (ph) and Evelyn (ph) didn’t go. They died when they were young. BM: Whenever your folks came to this part of the country, where did they migrate in here? JR: Right from north of Drumright. Going to school at Pinehill and first teacher Edith Whiteneck ; Pinehill ; Pinehill School ; teacher Pinehill 183 Oil and Cotton BM: What did you family do for a liv—what did you or your parents do for a living whenever they came to this part of the— JR: (laughs) Farmed. Cotton. BM: They had a cotton farm. JR: Yep. Family's cotton farm and the first oil well in the Pinehill area cotton ; drilling ; Elsa Self ; farm ; Hennesson Ware ; Iva Ware ; oil ; Owen Ware ; wells Farming cotton ; Oil wells 346 Members of Pinehill Community BM: What year did you and Iva get married? JR: In ’26. BM: Well, we better back up a little bit. You said a while ago that you remember Jake Roberts (ph). Discussion of where Pinehill community members lived Jake Roberts ; L.J. Florence ; log house ; Pinehill ; Smith Bruce ; Vann log house ; Pinehill 505 First Pinehill School MM: Where was the first school he went to? BM: Where was the first school that you went to, John? JR: Victory Chapel. BM: You went to Victory Chapel first, then— Location of the first Pinehill school Abner Bruce ; Leo Pinehill ; Mosquito place ; Pinehill ; Pinehill school ; Victory Chapel Pinehill school 578 Location of Pinehill School MM: Did you check and see if it’s running? (pause) There weren’t but one. BM: There’s been talk that there was one schoolhouse here, possibly two. Now do you know anything about that? JR: Well now, that don’t seem right to me. But there wasn’t but one. And it was right in the corner, in the northeast corner of Mosquito Creek. That’s where it sat. I can show you the rock, I think, where it sit. It wasn’t in the corner on Pinehill, this was close to the road where it turns down— Discussion on the location of the Pinehill school Abner Bruce ; Mosquito Place ; Murta Mosquito ; Pinehill ; school ; schoolhouse Pinehill school 748 Second Pinehill School JR: Because they built the new schoolhouse over here, then. BM: They built a new schoolhouse up on the hill. JR: On the Grandpa Bly’s (ph) place. BM: On the Grandpa Bly (ph) place. JR: Yeah, other word to it was, I guess it was Phoebe Bruce’s. No? Location of the second Pinehill school Bly ; Phoebe Cairnly ; Pinehill ; Pinehill School Pinehill School 802 Activities at the school house BM: What all, what all activities was the school used for? JR: Well, when I went to school? BM: Yeah, when you went to school there, from the time that you remember the school starting— JR: It was just baseball and— The many activities that took place at the Pinehill schoolhouse baseball ; Christmas Programs ; church ; fairs ; literary ; pie supper ; Pinehill ; polling precinct ; school ; Sunday School activities ; Pinehill ; school ; schoolhouse 906 Mark Saxon BM: Who done the fighting? JR: Who? BM: That you remember? JR: (laughs) Uh, Mark Saxon (ph) and oh, I can’t think of that other guy’s name. That was the first fight I ever seen. Seeing Mark Saxon get in a fight and his family history Arthur Barnes ; Bill Baker ; Ellen ; fights ; Gertrude ; Mark Saxon ; Pinehill ; Skeeter Creek ; Smith Bruce Mark Saxon ; Pinehill 1088 Rabbits for dinner JR: Well, now, on this same place I can’t think of them people that lived there. After that, a while after that, they had two girls and one boy and they was great big old husky girls and what their names was now I can’t think of it. I used to tease Homer about one of them girls. In 19—I don’t know what. They killed rabbits and it was a baaaad winter. Hunting rabbits during a bad winter hunt ; Rabbits ; winter hunting rabbits 1191 John and Iva marry BM: What year did you and Iva, what year was you and Iva married? JR: In ’26. BM: 1926. JR: Third day of February. The date of John and Iva Rossander's marriage 1926 ; Iva Rossander ; John Rossander ; marriage Marriage 1224 Poem from the Literary BM: --you said while ago that you [inaudible] (tape garbled) --or you know a poem that—literary-- IR: --remember it—[inaudible]. (tape garbled) BM: Well, let’s have it! Iva recites the poem from the literary literary ; poem literary 1313 Working Days MM: You want to ask him about the [indecipherable]? BM: You, John, what all work have you done since you and Iva were, had been married? JR: Well, I mostly farmed, but we went to New Mexico in ’36. I worked for a rancher out there and I worked seven days a week from sun ‘til sun for two dollars a day. And I kept wantin’ them to give me a day off, ‘cause it was just driving me crazy. Memories of working and various jobs biscuits ; Culverson Saw Mill ; drop herds ; Edward Hunt Sheep Company ; farm ; lamb ; mutton ; sheep ; sidelined ; work farming ; sheep ; work 1530 Jake Roberts Place BM: What about the Jake Roberts place, you said something about the Jake Roberts place, the Jake Roberts lease or place? Earlier? JR: Well, Jake Roberts, they, they used to when we first came here, they had all the good horses. Good horses. They was workin’ negroes. Colored folks. Really working. And there was Jake, he was old as I am, and then there was Johnny Roberts (ph) and Walk Roberts (ph), and—Walk lives over here this side of the 66 yet. Arthur, that’s Arthur. Discussion of Jake Roberts and slaves allotted ; freedman ; horses ; Indian Slaves ; Indian Territory ; Jake Roberts ; Johnny Roberts ; Rubin Moore ; slavery ; Walk Roberts ; white slaves Indian Territory ; Jake Roberts ; slaves In this 1976 interview, John Rossander (1904-1984) and wife Iva Irene (Millhouse) Rossander (1905-1999) discuss their childhood and the early days of their marriage spent in the Pinehill community outside Bristow, Creek County, Oklahoma, as well as time spent working in New Mexico at a sheep farm during their early marriage. John describes childhood events such as tracking a missing hog for a neighbor. He also works with the interviewer to pinpoint the locations of neighbors and the locations of early Pinehill school buildings on a map. John also discusses the Jake Roberts, an African-American freedman living on an Indian allotment who was a successful horse breeder. BM: --here with John Rossander and Iva Rossander in their home, 10/22/1976 time 20 minutes ' ; til four. pause in tape BM: John, what year did your mother and dad come into this community? JR: Nineteen-nine. BM: What was their names? JR: Zeke and Sarah Rossander. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: What was your mother' ; s name before-- JR: Stanton. BM: Stanton. How many children were they to that marriage? JR: Twelve. BM: Would you give me their names? JR: Well (laughs), yeah, I can give--Vera (ph)--I mean, Esther (ph), then Vera (ph), John (ph), Cecil (ph), Homer (ph), Marcella (ph), Buford (ph), Rubilee (ph), Maudie (ph), Alice (ph), and Evelyn (ph). (talking in background) JR: I named Homer (ph). IR: Hilma (ph)! JR: Oh, Hilma (ph)! MM: [Inaudible.] JR: She was born after Evelyn (ph). BM: How many of them went to the Pinehill School? JR: Well, every one of them except--no, let' ; s see, there' ; s four: Rubilee (ph)--I mean Maudie (ph), Rubilee (ph), Alice (ph) and Evelyn (ph) didn' ; t go. They died when they were young. BM: Whenever your folks came to this part of the country, where did they migrate in here? JR: Right from north of Drumright. BM: What, do you know or did you hear them say what year they came to the state of Oklahoma? JR: Yes sir--oh! State of Oklahoma, oh, they were more or less raised here. Grandpa came from Kansas and dad came down here when he was twelve years old, out on the homestead. BM: They come down from Kansas, then, when he was twelve years old? JR: Yeah. BM: Who was your first teacher at Pinehill School? JR: Well, really I can' ; t really tell you for sure, but I think it was Edith Whiteneck. I was small for my age. BM: What did you family do for a liv--what did you or your parents do for a living whenever they came to this part of the-- JR: (laughs) Farmed. Cotton. BM: They had a cotton farm. JR: Yep. BM: What year do your--what year do you remember seeing the first oil well in this community? JR: Let' ; s see, [indecipherable] a well, it was--I guess it was 1912. Believe it was. BM: Was it--what do you remember about the old Ware (ph) place over there? JR: Owen Ware (ph)? I just, myself, the only thing I can remember, well, I can remember several things but I remember when they lived there, Iva Ware (ph) and all them was there, and Old Man--old Hennesson Ware (ph) had a hog to get out, a big old spotted sow, and he came over there to dad' ; s and wanted dad to take and go and get her in, get her for him, because he couldn' ; t--he couldn' ; t get her in, couldn' ; t find her. And somebody' ; d told him that we had a dog that' ; d trail a hog up might near, regardless how old the scent was. And we went off east of his house and found a track, which it looked dim to me. And I took that old--dad told him that he couldn' ; t, but he said I could. So I took my dog and went over there and I pointed down at the track, I said, " ; Get it, Nigs." ; And he took off. And he, he bayed that hog back east of Elsa Self, way back over in them hills in there. But what year that was, I can' ; t tell you. MM: You don' ; t remember drilling early oil wells on the Ware (ph) place, do you? BM: Do you remember the early oil wells that was on the Ware (ph) place? JR: No, I don' ; t remember what year that--I remember ' ; em but I don' ; t know what year it were. BM: What year did you and Iva get married? JR: In ' ; 26. BM: Well, we better back up a little bit. You said a while ago that you remember Jake Roberts (ph). JR: Yep. BM: You said also that you remembered when he came into this part of the country. Where did he settle first? JR: Over here east of Smith Bruce' ; s on Browder (ph), Browder' ; s (ph) place. In an old log house there. And Smith Bruce and them used to live there and in 1910 they built their log house over here. And they moved on that twenty acres. He bought twenty acres and he moved on it in 1910. BM: And he built a log house there in ' ; 20 that he bought-- JR: Yeah. In 1910. BM: In 1910. JR: And Jake lived there in that house down there I guess 1910, I don' ; t know what year it were. I can' ; t tell you that. BM: Then whenever they left, whenever they moved from the Browder Bruce (ph) place, they moved down over, then, and [indecipherable] the school, is that right? JR: No. BM: Where did they move to from there? IR: North of the school. BM: North of the school. JR: No, when they left there, they moved from there over to--they went from there over to L.J. Florence' ; s (ph) close to over here, and lived in a little old tent right over here by the big pecan tree and picked cotton for L.J. Florence (ph). Which that was their uncle. Yeah, that' ; d be Ella (ph) and them' ; s uncle. BM: When you say over here, back over here pointing back over here, what place would that be, John? JR: Well, that' ; d be the Vann place, used to be the Vann place, or BM: Step out there and get that map, Pat. We' ; ll come back to that in a minute, so get that map and then we can pinpoint, he can pinpoint the exact place that it was. MM: Where was the first school he went to? BM: Where was the first school that you went to, John? JR: Victory Chapel. BM: You went to Victory Chapel first, then-- JR: And they wouldn' ; t let us go up there because we was in a different district. BM: You were in Pinehill District? JR: Pinehill District. BM: So they stopped you from going to Victory Chapel. JR: Yeah. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Now that first Pinehill School that you remember, where was it located at? JR: That I went to? BM: Yeah. First Pinehill School that you remember, where was-- JR: Oh, well I remember the one right there where [indecipherable] to Abner Bruce' ; s. Sat there in the corner on [indecipherable], one of the Mosquito places. BM: In other words, you remember this one here, then. JR: Yeah. BM: You remember the first one, then, that was built on Leo Pinehill. JR: Yeah, yeah. Well, it wasn' ; t Leo' ; s, wasn' ; t it? BM: Yeah, it-- JR: It was his dad' ; s, wasn' ; t it? BM: It' ; s Pinehill allotment, Leo--Leo' ; s JR: Yeah. BM: Leo' ; s, Pinehill' ; s allotment. JR: Yeah. MM: People argue that there wasn' ; t one. Some says that there was just one there and some say there were two. pause in recording MM: Did you check and see if it' ; s running? (pause) There weren' ; t but one. BM: There' ; s been talk that there was one schoolhouse here, possibly two. Now do you know anything about that? JR: Well now, that don' ; t seem right to me. But there wasn' ; t but one. And it was right in the corner, in the northeast corner of Mosquito Creek. That' ; s where it sat. I can show you the rock, I think, where it sit. It wasn' ; t in the corner on Pinehill, this was close to the road where it turns down-- BM: That runs east and westward. JR: Yes. It was in the northeast corner of that Mosquito place. MM: [Inaudible.] JR: I don' ; t know what section that' ; s in, but-- MM: [Inaudible.] JR: The section line goes east toward Abner Bruce' ; s. It sat right across the road in the northeast corner, right there. BM: Well that must' ; ve been there on--evidently, now, there had--there was two, there was two schools there, then. MM: Yeah. BM: There was two schools built there on that corner, then. The first one was built--this is that road that goes across there-- JR: This is north. BM: Right. This is the road that runs up and down the creek here. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: This right here is the road going across toward Abner Bruce' ; s. The first one was built on, over here on this Leo. And you said the other one was built in the northeast corner, so this' ; d have to be in here on this Murta M-U-R-T-A, Murta Mosquito, or something like that. JR: Yeah, it was built right in the corner. BM: Well, that would be right in this corner in here, then. JR: Well, I don' ; t know. I don' ; t understand-- MM: [Inaudible.] BM: That would be right here in that northeast corner. JR: And you know what happened to it, don' ; t you? BM: Well, they tell me this one here burnt in about 1908. The one up on the hill burnt in about 1908. And-- MM: Ask him what happened to that one. BM: What happened to this one? JR: Well, it burnt down, them boys, big boys, would go in there and have their parties and things in there and they, they just burnt it down. MM: See, now, he-- BM: Well how long-- MM: What year? BM: What, about what year was that, John? JR: Well, it was after 1909, I don' ; t know when. MM: About ' ; 12, I was told. JR: I can' ; t tell you that. IR: [Inaudible.] JR: Because they built the new schoolhouse over here, then. BM: They built a new schoolhouse up on the hill. JR: On the Grandpa Bly' ; s (ph) place. BM: On the Grandpa Bly (ph) place. JR: Yeah, other word to it was, I guess it was Phoebe Bruce' ; s. No? MM: [Inaudible.] JR: Grandpa Bly (ph) lived there, I don' ; t remember what year he came there. But it was built in the southeast corner of that place. BM: Down at Phoebe, Phoebe-- JR: Phoebe Bruce, Cairnly (ph). BM: Yeah, it' ; d be Phoebe Carinly (ph). JR: Yeah. Well, that' ; s where it was built. BM: Well that shows it to be right there. Then what year did that school burn, John? JR: I don' ; t know. BM: But it burnt too, did it or did it not? JR: Yeah. Yeah. MM: Three of them. BM: Then they built one down on the other hill. JR: Yeah. BM: Is that right? JR: Yeah. BM: What all, what all activities was the school used for? JR: Well, when I went to school? BM: Yeah, when you went to school there, from the time that you remember the school starting-- JR: It was just baseball and-- BM: What I' ; m trying to say, John, is this--was it used for other things than school activities? Now this goes back to the time that you remember the first school until it closed. What all different activities was it used for? JR: Well, they had a literary there and they had pie suppers there and they had Sunday school and church and--huh? MM: [Inaudible.] JR: And anyway, Christmas programs, all of them, they had them there. And that' ; s--huh? MM: [Inaudible.] JR: Yeah, they had fairs but I don' ; t know what year that were. But I think it were in--see I was about 14 or 15 years old. I guess I was 14, ' ; cause the year before I went to Inola. BM: Well was there any other activities that it was used for, besides what you had named? JR: Well, not that I can think of. BM: Did it ever, did the old--did the school ever use, was it ever used as a polling precinct? JR: Oh yeah, lots of--lot of fights there! BM: Who done the fighting? JR: Who? BM: That you remember? JR: (laughs) Uh, Mark Saxon (ph) and oh, I can' ; t think of that other guy' ; s name. That was the first fight I ever seen. BM: Sexton (ph)? JR: Mark Saxon (ph). BM: S-A-X-T-O-N? JR: Yeah. BM: Or S-A-X-O-N? JR: I, I don' ; t know which way it' ; s spelled. BM: Now, by any chance did he have two sisters? JR: Well-- BM: That you know of. JR: Now, Mark had, had two daughters. BM: Okay, now then, this--this is kind of light, now. That would be Gertrude and, oh-- JR: Ella-Ella-- BM: Ellen, Ella or something. I think it' ; s Ellen. Ellen. JR: Yep. BM: Gertrude and Ellen, that was their father. JR: Yeah, yeah. BM: Okay, where did they live, John, or do you remember? JR: Mmm-hmm. I don' ; t know who owned it, but I think Bill Baker owned it. Over on--well, let me see, it' ; d be three--one, two, three. It' ; d be three miles south and a mile east over here. Other words it' ; d be three miles straight south right down here by Smith Bruce' ; s. It' ; d be three miles straight south on the hill, the rocky hill up there. You know where Arthur Barnes lived. And it' ; s, it' ; s just built right around--and there' ; s a branch come in from the, the south and east, and then Skeeter Creek was on the west of it. And the house sat right up on that old rocky point. BM: In other words, they lived out on the very south end of the school district? JR: Yeah, yeah. Right on the south edge. BM: Right on the south edge of the school district. JR: Yeah. The section line runs through here and I think their house wasn' ; t as far as from here to the window to the highway. To the road. BM: To the road. But it was right on the south edge of the Pinehill district. JR: Yeah. BM: Alright. We get back to this, this thing I' ; ve got here, isn' ; t right. We know it isn' ; t, in fact it doesn' ; t cover enough south. MM: Well, but I was just going to say that poem from the literary-- IR: [Inaudible.] BM: And that' ; s one reason that I want you and Iva, when we get this other map and put these things down on it, you come up with some more information where people lived and anybody that I hadn' ; t run across yet. JR: Well, now, on this same place I can' ; t think of them people that lived there. After that, a while after that, they had two girls and one boy and they was great big old husky girls and what their names was now I can' ; t think of it. I used to tease Homer about one of them girls. In 19--I don' ; t know what. They killed rabbits and it was a baaaad winter. You could just go out with a club and just knock ' ; em in the head. And they had a barrel full of hind legs and backs. Backs. Of rabbits. Barrel full. And they had about a half a barrel full of front legs and the ribs and stuff. Sorted them! That was their meat for that summer. BM: But they used the rabbit as their--they used the rabbits as their meat. JR: Yeah, I told--that year, and they had them in the barn! Had these barrels out in the barn. BM: What year did you and Iva, what year was you and Iva married? JR: In ' ; 26. BM: 1926. JR: Third day of February. BM: Was there any children to that marriage? JR: No. [Inaudible.] (tape garbled) BM: --you said while ago that you [inaudible] (tape garbled) --or you know a poem that--literary-- IR: --remember it--[inaudible]. (tape garbled) BM: Well, let' ; s have it! IR: (reciting) " ; I jumped up in the cold morning in high glee and put on a [indecipherable] coat and [indecipherable] pants--Miss Kate [inaudible] (tape interference) when I got over there, there sat Bud Fat (ph)-- I did no more expect to see him sitting there than I' ; d expect to see a hare hid behind Uncle Tom Smith' ; s bald head. We got over there, we thought we' ; d go [indecipherable] hunting [inaudible] (tape interference) --one of these great big old squabby bullfrogs. He knew how to holler just as well as I did, he goes " ; WHOOO!" ; Knocked Miss Kate off in the creek half-waist deep. Old Fool Bud Fat (ph) ran down the creek to get a pole to help Miss Kate out and I jumped in there and I had her out in a little while! I ask her if she loved me to squeeze my hand, and she squeezed and she squeezed and she squeezed it off! My, how that felt. The next time Old Fool Bud Fat comes over to my house, I' ; m going to souse his head in the slop bucket." ; BM: (laughs) MM: You want to ask him about the [indecipherable]? BM: You, John, what all work have you done since you and Iva were, had been married? JR: Well, I mostly farmed, but we went to New Mexico in ' ; 36. I worked for a rancher out there and I worked seven days a week from sun ' ; til sun for two dollars a day. And I kept wantin' ; them to give me a day off, ' ; cause it was just driving me crazy. And they wouldn' ; t let me off. So I quit ' ; em. I' ; d been telling ' ; em I' ; d quit ' ; em. So I went to Culverson (ph) Saw Mill. And I begin to work at the mill. And I worked at the mill there for, oh, three to four days, a week, and they was supposed to get me some help and they wouldn' ; t do it--they didn' ; t do it. So I quit them and I worked for the--what' ; s his name? Hunt, Edward Hunt Sheep Company. And I picked up the drop herds. BM: When you say drop herds, what do you mean by the drop herds? JR: Well, the old ewes that had young and they wouldn' ; t claim ' ; em lot of times. And I had a thing concern with jointed pole and I' ; d hook them old ewes, I could see that they' ; d had young, and I' ; d hook them with that pole, catch ' ; em around the leg, and I' ; d hold ' ; em and I' ; d sideline ' ; em. And then I' ; d push a little lamb up there and they' ; d nurse, and I' ; d turn her loose. I mean, let her go. I' ; ve leave her sidelined. BM: What does sideline mean? JR: Well, I just put, tie her one front foot and one back foot together. That is, you know, where they can walk but still they couldn' ; t kick ' ; em or anything. And if you let ' ; em nurse one time, well then they' ; d take ' ; em and go on. BM: They' ; d take the, the little ones then and go on and raise the little ones? JR: Yeah, yeah. And I had to go to the sheep camp every day. I didn' ; t have to work only about--well, I' ; d start out early of a morning and then I' ; d have to go to the sheep camp and get there about 11:30. And I had to report in and every day I was there. There was hard tack biscuits and mutton and brown beans. That was the regular meal. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Well how long were you in New Mexico? Why were you in New Mexico? JR: Well, I went out there more or less so maybe it' ; d help Iva, and she--other words, she had poor health and I thought maybe it' ; d help her, and she was homesick for her folks. BM: You mean Iva was still momma' ; s baby. JR: No, she was--she' ; s pretty good, but still she' ; s homesick. BM: She wanted to go see momma. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: What about the Jake Roberts place, you said something about the Jake Roberts place, the Jake Roberts lease or place? Earlier? JR: Well, Jake Roberts, they, they used to when we first came here, they had all the good horses. Good horses. They was workin' ; negroes. Colored folks. Really working. And there was Jake, he was old as I am, and then there was Johnny Roberts (ph) and Walk Roberts (ph), and--Walk lives over here this side of the 66 yet. Arthur, that' ; s Arthur. Walk is dead, that' ; s right. And them and then there, the old Rubin Moore' ; s (ph), back there across the road over there. We went right through their yard all the time. BM: The Robertses, then, the dealings that you had with Jake Roberts was buyin' ; horses off of him, is that right? JR: Oh, we didn' ; t buy any off of him, but they just had them-- BM: You weren' ; t trading with him, or-- JR: Huh-uh, no, we just knew him well, they was good clean colored folks. BM: Well you knew that, did you, or did you know that they, Jake Roberts was a freedman, out of slavery? Did you know that? JR: Well, yeah, yeah. BM: I' ; ve been trying to pinpoint down why that those colored people had been allotted land in the Indian territory. Some said they were Indian slaves. Others said no, they were white slaves. JR: I don' ; t know what, now, whether-- IR: There was-- JR: --Indians or whites, I can' ; t tell you that. IR: They were the Indian' ; s slaves. BM: Well that was report-- IR: They moved back here from the east, they had these slaves. BM: They were Indian slaves. JR: But I can' ; t tell you-- BM: Well, that there--that is what I wanted to make sure of. IR: [Inaudible.] BM: Speak up a little bit louder. IR: Oh, I' ; m just [inaudible]. BM: Okay. JR: But, I can' ; t, I can' ; t tell you that, but I do-- end of interview audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0005-02_John_Rossander.xml OHP-0005-02_John_Rossander.xml
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John and Iva Rossander
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In this 1976 interview, John Rossander (1904-1984) and wife Iva Irene (Millhouse) Rossander (1905-1999) discuss their childhood and the early days of their marriage spent in the Pinehill community outside Bristow, Creek County, Oklahoma, as well as time spent working in New Mexico at a sheep farm during their early marriage. John describes childhood events such as tracking a missing hog for a neighbor. He also works with the interviewer to pinpoint the locations of neighbors and the locations of early Pinehill school buildings on a map. John also discusses the Jake Roberts, an African-American freedman living on an Indian allotment who was a successful horse breeder.
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Pinehill Community and School
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1976-10-22
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Pinehill Histories
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History of the Pinehill area north of Bristow
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Several interviews were done by Mary and Bob Mc Carty of people who grew up in the Pinehill area north of Bristow. This collection is the Pinehill subset of the Bristow Oral Histories
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Bristow Historical Society, oral history collection
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Robert L. “Bob” McCarty
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Leo Frank Bruce
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5.4 OHP-0012-01 Leo Frank Bruce OHP-0012-01 Bristow Historical Society - Oral History Archive Pinehill Community Bristow Historical Society, Inc. Pinehill Community and School Pinehill oil Leo Frank Bruce Robert L. “Bob” McCarty MP3 1:|28(7)|60(9)|78(12)|100(9)|122(15)|142(8)|165(10)|205(2)|229(4)|247(8)|258(8)|279(1)|314(10)|345(3)|358(4)|383(7)|409(1)|420(8)|439(11)|471(2)|496(2)|518(4)|546(8)|572(15)|598(15)|607(2)|614(14)|631(13)|647(4)|650(11)|661(13)|671(7)|693(3)|712(3)|727(1)|745(11)|759(8)|777(14)|785(8)|798(3)|810(5)|827(4)|847(12)|858(7)|876(6)|885(4)|905(9)|925(7) 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/interviews/OHP-0012-01 Bruce, Leo.mp3 Other audio 0 Family History BM: This is [indecipherable], 10—or 11/12/1976, ten minutes until four o’clock. Leo, whenever— MM: What was [inaudible] BM: What was your mother and dad’s name? Leo Bruce discusses his family history Abner Bruce ; Clarence Bruce ; Ella May ; Leo Frank Family History 158 Pinehill School BM: You stated here a while back, Leo, that you remembered when the first school was built there. LB: Well, I should be able to give you that [indecipherable] description, but I can’t and I don’t know— BM: Why, Leo, we—we uh— Discussion of the first Pinehill School being built Pinehill ; Pinehill School ; schoolhouse Pinehill School 240 Location of Childhood Home BM: At that time, Leo, where did your parents live? LB: They lived—well, now, they lived in a little—I’m turned around. I get my directions crossed up there. But the road that goes down to, past where Abner Bruce lives now? Well they lived on down that road at the foot of that hill, you know, there’s quite a hill there. Discussion of the location of his childhood home 1908 ; log home ; statehood childhood home 359 Pinehill School and Teachers BM: Tell us about what’s in that first schoolhouse being built. LB: Well, I was so small it’s hard for me to— MM: Tell us--you kind of played around it, [inaudible] while they was building it [inaudible]. Discussion of building of Pinehill School and teachers Nell Evans ; Nell Watson ; Pinehill School ; schoolhouse ; Witty McKeehan Pinehill School ; Teachers 511 Pinehill Classmates and Teachers BM: Who all went to school with you there at that time, Leo? That you can remember? LB: Well, that was— BM: Take your time now, and think. Memories of classmates and teachers and Pinehill School Big Mosquitoes ; Biggs ; Bill McEwan ; Charlie Stubblefield ; Clarence Myers ; classmates ; Ernest Sawell ; Frank Bruce ; Leo Pinehill ; Letch Stubblefield ; Mayes ; Pinehill ; Rosie Lindsey ; Sammy Stubblefield ; Tom McEwan ; Will Wilson ; Willie Mayes classmates ; Pinehill School ; Teachers 814 Moving back to Pinehill and running a store BM: In later years, then, Leo, in later years you went to—you came back in that country. You came back in that country. Did you or did you not? LB: Yes, it was several— BM: In later years, several, several years after that— LB: In later years. Discussion of moving back to Pinehill and opening a store armistice ; canned goods ; Coleman Bruce ; flour ; Pinehill ; Polecat Bridge ; tobacco Pinehill ; store 976 Father as County Clerk BM: When your parents moved into the Sapulpa area, what did your father—what was your father’s occupation at that time? LB: Well, of course he was a farmer, well then he was elected. He ran for county clerk. And he was elected county clerk. BM: He was elected country clerk. MM: What year? Leo Bruce's father is county clerk County Clerk ; election ; term county clerk 1090 Marriage and Children MM: What did your mom and dad do? Did they move back to the Pinehill community? LB: No. BM: At the present time, do you still-you still own some land out in that part, do you or do you not, Leo? LB: Yes. BM: Let’s back up. What year, Leo, did you get married? Discussion of marriage and children Cherry Creek ; Elesia Montaguerrez ; Francisca Alexius ; Ida Shockley ; Kay Don Bruce ; Robert Bruce ; Troy Livingston children ; marriage 1268 Locations of Pinehill Schools MM: How many Pinehill school buildings do you remember? [Inaudible.] LB: Well I don’t know whether there’d have been three, there were three, wasn’t there? BM: Well we’ve got reports of three, we’ve got reports of four, so we don’t know. MM: The one that [inaudible]— Discussion of the locations of the Pinehill Schools John Rossander ; Pinehill ; Pinehill school Pinehill School 1375 Creek County Sheriff BM: Was your dad—wasn’t your dad elected to a term as sheriff? In Creek County? LB: Yes, he served two terms as sheriff. BM: He served two terms as sheriff of Creek County. Well then, he was—that was in what year, Leo? Do you remember? LB: No, I don’t. I’m not sure, I’d have to look that up. Leo Bruce's father as Creek County Sheriff Creek County ; Sheriff Sheriff 1506 Activities at Pinehill School BM: --I never had got that off any of the, anybody else but you. (pause) Is there any funnies that you can—that you remember that went on at the school during your school days there? Is there anything, any funny happened that you remember? LB: Well, I can’t think of anything amusing right now. BM: To you memory, then, what, what all was the school used for, Leo? LB: It was—they had church there a lot, as I remember it, and then they had a literary society there in the community. I can remember those meetings were a lot. They’d have—they’d come in there of an evening and I guess they had a certain night of the week that they’d have the literary but I can’t remember when. Activities held at Pinehill School church ; dialogues ; kangaroo court ; literary ; Pinehill School ; recitations ; schoolhouse ; Virgil Vann ; voting Activities ; Pinehill School ; schoolhouse 1721 Family Tree MM: As far as we know, and as far as we’ve been able to tell, Leo, you were the first white child born in that community. Leo Frank Bruce. And you was born (pause) what the date was—10/01/1897. October the— LB: Ten the eighteenth. The family tree of Leo Bruce Abner Louis Bruce ; Adam Bruce ; Alpha Bruce ; Alpha Stephens ; Balsora Dalton ; Coleman Bruce ; Jonathon Bruce ; Katie Bruce ; Leo Frank Bruce ; Morton Bruce ; Pleasant Bruce ; Richard Bruce ; Susan Bruce ; Wesley Bruce Family Tree ; Leo Bruce 1901 Pinehill Memories and a Story of Shoes for a Dog LB: Well I was—I don’t know how to describe it. I really liked the community out there, you know, and of course the mental [indecipherable] child, why, they usually appreciate or like the child more than they do after they get grown and have to get out and face the— BM: Face the world. LB: --cold, cold world. MM: Well, you were never really apart from it. Your folks has always been there, you’ve been back and forth the whole dang—your life, haven’t you? Memories of growing up in Pinehill and a story about shoes for a hunting dog Coleman Bruce ; community ; dog ; fish ; Heyburn ; hunting ; Pinehill ; Polecat ; shoes ; swimming hole memories ; Pinehill 2200 Oil Industry and Crossing a Cold Creek MM: Do you remember any of the early oil industry in there, or anything like that? LB: Well now, see, when I had the store out there they had a (pause) I think they called it a booster station, didn’t they, the Texas Oil Company had a station right down below the hill there from where the store was. BM: Be out west. Discussion of early business including oil and crossing a cold cree, creek ; Oil ; oil industry ; Old Stockade House ; pipeline ; Polecat ; telegraph operator ; Texas Oil Company creek ; oil 2488 Surrey with a Fringe on Top MM: I believe you told me one time about you and Charlie Blythe watching the first surrey with a fringe on top. Do you remember that? It was there at your grandpa’s, and— LB: Yes, I just barely, I can remember. Well, I can remember that was kind of a, kind of a meeting place for a lot of people over the country there at my grandparents’ house. I think Charlie—seems like I can remember Charlie stopping in there more than once— MM: What about surrey with a fringe on top? Memories of seeing a surrey with fringe on top Charlie Blythe ; Cherry Creek ; fringe ; surrey Surrey 2556 Talks of Visiting and the Location of Leo Bruce's Property BM: You can still drive down—or you could, you could still drive down to that old crossing there on Cherry Creek. You could here a few years back. I don’t know whether you still can or not. Down by where the Old Stockade House was. There was a cross there, that was the roadway where the crossing was there on Cherry Creek, went right down to Polecat, on down to just above what they call the lower falls. LB: Those lower falls, I don’t know if I was ever right at that location or not. But I can remember the people speaking of the lower falls and— Discussion of visiting the Pinehill area and the location of Leo Bruce's property Cherry Creek ; Dan Masterson ; lower falls ; Loyd Bruce ; Mastersons ; Old Stockade House ; Pinehill ; Polecate ; Roy Bruce Pinehill ; property records In this 1976 interview, Leo Frank Bruce (1897-1990), the first white child born in the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma, describes his life in the area prior to statehood including their early home structures and the approximate location of their homesteads. He also identifies some of the first schoolteachers and his schoolmates in the community. He discusses talks about running a small dry goods store prior to refrigeration/electricity, his family’s subsequent move to Sapulpa when his father was elected as the first Creek County clerk, and subsequently as the Creek County sheriff. Finally, he describes social events in the Pinehill community such as literaries, fishing, and the first time he ever saw a surrey with a fringe on top. BM: This is [indecipherable], 10--or 11/12/1976, ten minutes until four o' ; clock. Leo, whenever-- MM: What was [inaudible] BM: What was your mother and dad' ; s name? LB: My dad' ; s name was Abner, his middle initial was L.--Abner L. Bruce, but he was just known as Abner, you know, mainly everyone knew him as Abner Bruce. Now, my mother' ; s name was Ella May. I don' ; t remember how she spelled it--whether she spelled it M-A-Y or M-A-E, probably with a Y. I think they most--heared it spelled it back in those days. BM: Her maiden name was what? LB: Stowe. BM: Stowe. LB: S-T-O-W-E. BM: How many children were to that marriage, Leo? LB: Well, there were three children. Is it too warm in here for you folks? BM: No, it' ; s fine for me. UM: It' ; s a little bit too warm for me, but [inaudible]. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: There were three children to that marriage. LB: Yes. BM: And their names were what, Leo? LB: Well, let' ; s see--let me get the Bible. BM: Okay. pause in recording BM: There were three children. LB: Iva' ; s the oldest. Leo Frank. MM: Born in what year? BM: What year were you born, Leo? LB: Oh, in 1897. BM: 1897. LB: October the 18th. BM: Then? LB: Then Clarence Bruce was born March 3, 1902. And he died in infancy, didn' ; t live but a few days. And there was a girl born, oh the first--no, she was born February 4, 1906, and she didn' ; t--she died in infancy. She died May 1, 1906, that same year. MM: You were the sole-- BM: You' ; re the sole, you are the only one that-- LB: The only child. BM: The only child. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: You stated here a while back, Leo, that you remembered when the first school was built there. LB: Well, I should be able to give you that [indecipherable] description, but I can' ; t and I don' ; t know-- BM: Why, Leo, we--we uh-- LB: [inaudible] BM: --we have the-- LB: --already-- BM: --we have the description and all of that. You stated, though, that you remembered when the first school was--first schoolhouse was built. Is that right? LB: Yes, sir. BM: Any particular thing happen during the building of that school that you remember of? LB: Nothing that was really of importance. I knew that I was just very small boy and I was standing around and getting where I was in the way when they were--the people were putting up the school, building the school. And they--some of them got after me for being in the way there, I can remember that part of it. BM: At that time, Leo, where did your parents live? LB: They lived--well, now, they lived in a little--I' ; m turned around. I get my directions crossed up there. But the road that goes down to, past where Abner Bruce lives now? Well they lived on down that road at the foot of that hill, you know, there' ; s quite a hill there. BM: Yeah. On that hill there. LB: Mmm-hmm. They lived on the, right past Abner' ; s. They lived on the left. BM: On the left-hand side-- LB: Left-hand side of the road right at the foot of the hill. BM: Right at the foot of that hill. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: That would be on the north side of the road there, then. What' ; s that road run east, east and west. They lived here right at the foot of the hill, then, before they got down to that little creek where Frank' ; s house was. Is that right? LB: Yeah. Mmm-hmm. BM: What type of a house was that, Leo? LB: It was a log a house. BM: It was a log house. So, how many rooms was it? LB: I believe it was just two rooms. BM: How long did they live there in that house? LB: They lived there until statehood, you know, more of [indecipherable]. What would' ; ve been the election, you know, when they--in the fall of the year before statehood, would' ; ve been 1907, and I think statehood was January 1908. And they moved to Sapulpa in the fall of the year prior to statehood. BM: They moved to Sapulpa prior to statehood. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Tell us about what' ; s in that first schoolhouse being built. LB: Well, I was so small it' ; s hard for me to-- MM: Tell us--you kind of played around it, [inaudible] while they was building it [inaudible]. LB: Well, I can' ; t remember that the--it was just out in open land, there, you know, and I don' ; t know whether they had any fences to speak of at that time that cut through there. Maybe it was just open land and I was just--didn' ; t have anything else to do that I would just, just knew of the men that were working there and a big part of the time I was in their way. MM: And they kind of chased you off. BM: Uh-- MM: And you started school in the year-- BM: You started to school there when the--in that year of 19--when the first school opened, then. Is that right? LB: Yes. BM: And that teacher-- LB: Well, it must' ; ve been Nell Evans (ph). BM: Nell Evans (ph)? Or Nell Watson (ph)? LB: Nell, Nell Watson (ph), now wasn' ; t she-- BM: She was the one that was in 1903. LB: --wasn' ; t her maiden name Evans? BM: Well I--it could' ; ve been, I don' ; t know. LB: And I think she married a Watson there in Bristow, could that be right? LB: Well, now that, that-- MM: No, Nell Evans was the third one. BM: Nell Evans was the third teacher down. LB: Oh, well-- MM: Might be the same one if she-- LB: I' ; m, I' ; m sorry--Witty McKeehan (ph) was the first teacher that, wasn' ; t that right? MM: No, Nell Watson-- BM: Nell Watson and then Witty McKeehan (ph) was the second teacher. LB: Is that right. Well, I don' ; t believe I went to school with a teacher Nell Watson on my time, I can' ; t remember that. Because I always had the impression that--well, Witty (ph) and I talked about it, but I told people that Witty (ph) was my first schoolteacher. BM: Mmm-hmm. LB: But that might' ; ve been wrong, but as I remembered it, and I can remember with Witty (ph) teaching school there, and I was thinking that he was my first schoolteacher. MM: And what do you remember about Witty (ph)? BM: What do you remember about Witty McKeehan (ph) as a teacher? LB: Well, I thought that--of course, it was easy for me to somehow make an impression on me, you know, but I thought he was really smart. (laughs) MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Who all went to school with you there at that time, Leo? That you can remember? LB: Well, that was-- BM: Take your time now, and think. LB: It' ; s hard to remember many of them because they' ; re so--there was a family by the name of Campbell. I don' ; t remember for sure how they spelled their name, I think it was C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L Campbell. I think they went to school there. And there was (pause) and there was two (pause) I want to say scholars, pupils, that were, they were practically grown. [Indecipherable] a boy and a girl, they--they were--to me they were man and a woman. BM: Mmm-hmm. LB: --went to school there, and I can remember that. And then there was, I think there was more than one Stubblefield, I believe. There' ; s a Charlie Stubblefield, I think Charlie Stubblefield is still there, and there' ; s--we knew him as Letch, was that his actual name? BM: I have a Letch Stubblefield-- LB: Letch Stubblefield. BM: There was a Letch Stubblefield as well as a Charlie Stubblefield. LB: And then Sam, there was a Sammy Stubblefield. Those three might' ; ve gone to school there. And I' ; m pretty sure Clarence Myers went to school there. And the Mayes (ph) children, Miss [indecipherable] Mayes (ph) was [indecipherable] a teacher there. And her brother, Willie, his name was Willie Mayes (ph), they went to school there. And a Tom McEwan (ph), I think his father' ; s name was Billy--Bill McEwan (ph), he would' ; ve been a nephew to the teacher, Woody. BM: To Woody. LB: [inaudible] Now that first year I can' ; t be sure about that but those are the pupils that I remember that went to school to Pinehill there in the early days. And Rosie Lindsey (ph) went to school there. And she was always in school. That was before she and Frank Bruce were married. BM: Your mother taught school there too, in case you hadn' ; t-- LB: That' ; s right. BM: Do you have any idea--there had been a story and we had been told that she didn' ; t complete her term there for some reason or other. Do you have any idea what that reason was, Leo? LB: Well, it' ; s possible that it could' ; ve been her--they moved to Sapulpa there. I don' ; t know. MM: No, that she-- BM: No, they said something about her health or something or other, about that time. LB: Can' ; t remember that. BM: Clarence Myers was the one that told us that. Now, could it have been possible that it could' ; ve been on the count of the youngest girl. LB: That' ; s possible. [inaudible] BM: I believe on her-- LB: It was 1906 when she died, that-- BM: Yeah, in 1906. So it' ; s very possible then, that the reason your mother didn' ; t complete that term of school was on the count of your sister. LB: I don' ; t know. MM: Do you remember Ernest Sawell? BM: Do you remember Ernst Sawell? S-A-W-E-L-L? LB: No, I don' ; t recall. MM: He finished the term [inaudible]. BM: He finished the term, that term, for your mother. That was according to Clarence Myers. MM: Do you remember Will D. Wilson (ph)? LB: [Indecipherable.] BM: He came in, Will D. came in, after your mother taught there. LB: It was the next term, probably, wasn' ; t it. BM: And Ernest Sawell, the next term, well then Will D. Wilson came in and taught the next term. LB: Hmm. Well I--you asked who went to school there, I' ; m sure Leo Pinehill went to school there. MM: Yes, [inaudible]. LB: And [indecipherable] probably Mary and-- MM: Mary. BM: The--all three of those kids. LB: --Pinehill children. UW: I don' ; t know whether the Biggs went that early or not. And some of the Big Mosquitoes (ph). LB: [Inaudible.] BM: In later years, then, Leo, in later years you went to--you came back in that country. You came back in that country. Did you or did you not? LB: Yes, it was several-- BM: In later years, several, several years after that-- LB: In later years. MM: About what year was that? BM: About what year was did you come back out in there, Leo? LB: Oh, (pause). When was the [indecipherable] war, well that' ; s--I just read it in the history--day before [indecipherable], World War I? When the armistice was signed? MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Nineteen-eighteen or 1919. LB: It was about two or three years before that, prior to that, that I was out there. BM: Was any you--when you came back out there, then, where did you, where did you move to at that time? LB: Oh, I just stayed there with my grandparents, Coley Bruce--Coleman Bruce. And I ran a store for a few years. BM: You ran a store there. Alright, where was that store located at? LB: It was about--how far would it be from where the last school was there east across--just across Polecat Bridge there, and about a quarter-- MM: Quarter east and a quarter north-- BM: No, half east and a quarter north-- MM: Half a mile east and quarter north. BM: Half east and a quarter north. MM: Alright, what kind of store, how big a store, tell us about it. BM: How big a store was that, Leo? LB: Oh I just--couldn' ; t really call it a store, it was more--in this day and time you' ; d think of it more as a concession stand because we had no refrigeration, you know, and didn' ; t even keep ice, but about all I kept was flour and canned goods and stuff that was not perishable, couldn' ; t spoil. And tobacco, cans of tobacco. MM: How long did you run it? LB: Didn' ; t even have, didn' ; t even have sodee pop. (laughs) BM: How long did you run that store, Leo? LB: I think it was a little over two years. BM: When your parents moved into the Sapulpa area, what did your father--what was your father' ; s occupation at that time? LB: Well, of course he was a farmer, well then he was elected. He ran for county clerk. And he was elected county clerk. BM: He was elected country clerk. MM: What year? BM: What year was he elected county clerk? LB: Well, that would' ; ve been in 1907, wouldn' ; t that be right? Nineteen-seven, prior to statehood. Statehood I think was January 1908. MM: How many years did he serve? LB: He served seven years [inaudible]. The election they held before statehood--or the first election as I remember it was an off year, and when they had the next election why, they held it when--on the regular year that the elections have always been held since and the [inaudible]-- BM: On an even year, then. LB: --the terms were two years, two year terms. And his first term as I remember it was only a year there. He just served a year until the next election and then it was like a regular term, for two more terms. BM: Now he was elected down near the--the first term, then, he would' ; ve been elected. He went in, then in about 1909. His first term would' ; ve been about 1909. MM: No, 1907-- LB: A full term. BM: A full term, first year--first term. MM: What did your mom and dad do? Did they move back to the Pinehill community? LB: No. BM: At the present time, do you still-you still own some land out in that part, do you or do you not, Leo? LB: Yes. BM: Let' ; s back up. What year, Leo, did you get married? LB: That would' ; ve been 19--(pauses), that would be 1927. It was [indecipherable]. MM: He was married October 18, 18--no. LB: It may not give it. MM: March 26, 1927. LB: [Inaudible.] BM: And what was her name? LB: Ida Shockley. BM: Ida Shockley. And to that marriage how many children were there, Leo? LB: Two. BM: Two. What were their-- LB: Two boys. BM: Two boys. What were their names? LB: Kaye Don, K-A-Y-E Don D-O-N, Kaye Don Bruce, and Robert Bruce. BM: Kaye Don and Robert Bruce. Are those children still alive? LB: Yes. BM: Where is Kaye Don at, at the present time? LB: He' ; s in Richmond, Washington. State of Washington. BM: And Robert? LB: He' ; s in Mexico City. BM: Mexico City. He' ; s down with all them pretty senoritas, then. LB: Well, both those boys married senoritas. BM: Oh, they did! MM: Kaye Don was married to Francisca Alexius (ph) and Robert married Elesia Montaguerrez (ph). BM: Kaye Don, I know, went to school out here. I remember Kaye Don going to school out there at Pinehill. LB: [inaudible] that' ; s right. BM: Kaye Don went to school out there. LB: About one year. BM: Yeah, and he--at that time, I think, my best memory, it was just--you lived just west of Cherry Creek (ph) on the south side of the road. In later years the house burned. Troy Livingston (ph)-- LB: Was living in there-- BM: Troy and Plessie (ph) was living in the house when it burned. I believe it' ; s right, is that-- LB: That' ; s right, that' ; s right. MM: How many Pinehill school buildings do you remember? [Inaudible.] LB: Well I don' ; t know whether there' ; d have been three, there were three, wasn' ; t there? BM: Well we' ; ve got reports of three, we' ; ve got reports of four, so we don' ; t know. MM: The one that [inaudible]-- BM: But when do you remember the ones that you remember, Leo? Where were they located at? LB: West--well the first one, of course, was there at the crossroads where--and the next one was (pause) Well, you see, the next one as I remember it was a higher elevation than the last one. BM: Yeah. LB: It was kind of up on the hill-- BM: It would' ; ve been a mile--the second one that you remember would' ; ve been a mile north and about a quarter of a mile west of where the first schoolhouse was built. Then the third one was built down in under the hill. LB: As I remember-- BM: Is that--that' ; s the way you-- LB: As I remember it, yes, but if there were four buildings, why-- MM: The first one apparently-- LB: --that could' ; ve been crossed up some way there, see. BM: The first one-- MM: The one they think was the second one only lasted three years before it was burned, from 1909 to 1912. LB: Could it' ; ve been where the last one burned? And then-- MM: No, one was a quarter of a mile--a mile south of the last one and about--what, a quarter east? BM: The first one, from the first school house, where the first one was built, was a mile south and about a quarter east, kind of sitting on the hill up there on the prairie. Was the third where you remember the first one being built, is that right? That would be at the crossroads. LB: That' ; s right. BM: That would be a mile south of the last schoolhouse. LB: That' ; s right. BM: And about a quarter east. Or was it right in the corner? LB: Seems to me like it was right at the road, almost at the road there. BM: Well on this, that would be the one John Rossander was talking about, then. MM: John Rossander says he can show you the foundation, he must know. LB: I guess so. MM: ' ; Course he-- BM: So then they tell me that there was another one built up on top of the hill, which would be east of the one on the crossroads. LB: [Inaudible] it' ; s possible, but I wouldn' ; t remember that. BM: Was your dad--wasn' ; t your dad elected to a term as sheriff? In Creek County? LB: Yes, he served two terms as sheriff. BM: He served two terms as sheriff of Creek County. Well then, he was--that was in what year, Leo? Do you remember? LB: No, I don' ; t. I' ; m not sure, I' ; d have to look that up. BM: Well they did Mote-- LB: Mote ran for sheriff but he-- BM: After Abner was-- LB: After Abner served just two terms, yes. BM: That' ; s what I--that' ; s the way I remember it but I never had got that-- LB: That' ; s right. BM: --I never had got that off any of the, anybody else but you. (pause) Is there any funnies that you can--that you remember that went on at the school during your school days there? Is there anything, any funny happened that you remember? LB: Well, I can' ; t think of anything amusing right now. BM: To you memory, then, what, what all was the school used for, Leo? LB: It was--they had church there a lot, as I remember it, and then they had a literary society there in the community. I can remember those meetings were a lot. They' ; d have--they' ; d come in there of an evening and I guess they had a certain night of the week that they' ; d have the literary but I can' ; t remember when. BM: We' ; ve got different reports on these literaries, but we never have really pinpointed it down to just what all went on at these literaries. LB: I can remember they had the dialogues and recitations and they' ; d have songs. They didn' ; t have a musical instrument there, but I think sometimes someone would try to sing a song, I can remember that. But the main thing that I remember was the recitations and dialogues and I can' ; t remember--I can' ; t remember the church meetings so well. That--I' ; m sure that they did have church in the first building. BM: Also we have been told that it was used for a voting precinct in later years. It was used as a voting precinct. And in the early days they held court in that school. Do you know anything about that? LB: No. BM: We' ; ve been told something about a kangaroo court and I' ; ve tried to pinpoint that down. LB: Mm-hmm. No. BM: I forgot now who it was that--Virgil Vann, I believe it was, that was telling us about the kangaroo court, but I never could get him pinned down. Tried to find out if the kangaroo courts--that they put on during one of these literaries meetings or whether it was a real honest to goodness kangaroo court. But I' ; ve never been able to get it pinned down. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Okay. MM: As far as we know, and as far as we' ; ve been able to tell, Leo, you were the first white child born in that community. Leo Frank Bruce. And you was born (pause) what the date was--10/01/1897. October the-- LB: Ten the eighteenth. MM: --ninety-seven. Your father was Abner Louis Bruce and he was born 09/23/1871, died 01/18/1952. His brothers were Frank--James Franklin, J. Smith, and Moten R. and Roy Clyde and his sister was Cora Belle. Your mother was Ella May Stowe, she was born 06/27/1876 and died 05/09/1948. Your grandfather was Coleman Robert Bruce, he was born in 1847 and died in 1926. His broth--your uncles and aunts was--his brothers and sisters was Pleasant Alfred, James A. (ph), John H. (ph), Richard H., Moten (ph), Charles F. (ph), Wesley A., George Washington (ph), Adam Vivian, Alpha Ann, Laura E. (ph), Susie Jane, Dora Ree (ph) and Katie V. LB: There was a bunch of them. MM: And his wife was Alpha Ann Moore, she was born in 1848 and died in 1923. Your grandfather--your great-greatfather, then, was James Thomas Bruce, he was born August 1824 and married in March 1846, he married Francis S. Vivian pause in recording as tape switches to Side B MM: --Bruce was born December 1802 and died March 1885, he was married Elizabeth L. Swinney and I think that' ; s enough of the tree to go back on there. I just found the tree on his father' ; s side. His mother' ; s tree is here also but I don' ; t think we' ; ll run anything on it. This was from Leo Bruce' ; s family Bible. Leo, what do you remember--what did you think about Pinehill? What does it mean to you? LB: Well I was--I don' ; t know how to describe it. I really liked the community out there, you know, and of course the mental [indecipherable] child, why, they usually appreciate or like the child more than they do after they get grown and have to get out and face the-- BM: Face the world. LB: --cold, cold world. MM: Well, you were never really apart from it. Your folks has always been there, you' ; ve been back and forth the whole dang--your life, haven' ; t you? LB: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, I remember several times that we moved to town here, why, during my school vacation, why, I would go out there and when I' ; d go out there, why, I planned to stay all summer! And spend the summer vacation out there. But just a little while I, I' ; d get homesick, I' ; d want to see my folks and come back to Sapulpa and that, that' ; d be about the end of my vacation. BM: About the end of your vacation. MM: What' ; d you do on vacation out there? LB: Well, they--I pretended to help a little with the farming and I remember my grandfather Coleman Bruce, he and I fished a lot and I really enjoyed that. MM: Where' ; d you fish? LB: Fished in Polecat. MM: What' ; d you catch? LB: Well, we didn' ; t catch anything but little old--little fish. Perch and catfish. Sunfish. MM: Did you ever hunt? LB: Not much. I' ; ve hunted some but I' ; m not much of a hunter. MM: Where was your swimming hole? LB: Well the main swimming hole there was--it was in Polecat there, and it was just this side of where, where we lived, you know, when Don went to school there at Pinehill. Just this side there, down--walk to what would be the south side of the road there, just a little ways from the road. MM: Did you get in on them watermelon stealing on them summer vacations? LB: No, I can' ; t remember stealing any watermelons. But I can remember, I can remember the Polecat there, it wasn' ; t anything like it was in later years. I can remember one place on further down--can you two remember where the falls was? BM: Yes. I do. LB: I think since Heyburn' ; s been built, Heyburn dam' ; s been built there, I guess there' ; s not any falls there anymore, it' ; s filled up. But just above--just north of where the falls were there, I can remember at one time there was a big hole there and it was deep. And I can remember several times, people talking about it, that they were impressed with it--that you could take regular cane fishing pole, you know, and you couldn' ; t-- BM: Couldn' ; t touch bottom. LB: Couldn' ; t touch bottom. BM: Now, was that the hole that they call the old Blokesie (ph) Hole? LB: I wouldn' ; t know. I [inaudible]. MM: Was any hunting done, any--do you remember any hunting? LB: Well, not to speak of. I can remember my uncle Frank Bruce, I can remember that he hunted quite a bit and I can' ; t be sure about that. I don' ; t know--I noticed you said that in the [indecipherable] there, you read where they sold quails on the market, but I can' ; t--I don' ; t know if he ever sold quail on the market or not. But I can remember he had a bird dog that he was real proud of, and that poor old dog would--he hunted with him so much that he had, his feet would get sore. And I can remember he tried to--it wasn' ; t a success, he couldn' ; t do much good with it, but he would try to make shoes or moccasins for this poor old dog, for his feet. Course he wouldn' ; t keep them, couldn' ; t keep them on, you know, but that worried him a lot that-- BM: Thought the old dog' ; s feet would get so sore. LB: Mmm-hmm. MM: Do you remember any of the early oil industry in there, or anything like that? LB: Well now, see, when I had the store out there they had a (pause) I think they called it a booster station, didn' ; t they, the Texas Oil Company had a station right down below the hill there from where the store was. BM: Be out west. LB: And, yes, that' ; s right. They worked several men, I don' ; t--I can' ; t remember how many men, but there were several men worked there. And I know they had a telegraph operator. Of course they had the old line that went right along with the pipeline there, you know. MM: What, did they send messages to local people if they needed it? LB: No, not much, they may have but I didn' ; t hear of it. But they used it for the old business down there. But I can remember that the line walkers--they' ; d have a line walker that would walk this line and I think they had [inaudible] can remember more than one line walker that they had that' ; d stop in there at the store and-- MM: Do you remember any flooding caused at Polecat before the dam up in that area? LB: No, I don' ; t think it flooded much but I can remember that--I can remember the creek would really get high and they had more rain than they have now. I can remember you hear could the creek roar. You could hear the roar of the waters. I remember one time, I don' ; t know whether it would be of interest to you or not, it wasn' ; t very important, but really made an impression on me when--you see, my grandfather, that was the house where I was born as I remember it. They referred to it as the Old Stockade House. The logs were built, or placed, up-and-down and not--how do I want to say it? Horizontal? BM: They were vertical but wasn' ; t horizontal. LB: Mmm-hmm. And it was a story-and-a-half house, I guess. See, I know they had rooms or a room up above, they had a stairway I know. But I know that was the house where I was born, this Old Stockade House. Well I can remember one time my uncle Mote Bruce--we were going from that--as I remember it, now--we were, I was behind him on a horse, and we were trying to go from this Old Stockade House over to where my parents lived there at the foot of the hill where I told you about. I can remember the creek being up. And it was probably right there about where the bowl where the falls was, you can remember there was a crossing there. And I remember that he stopped there on the-- BM: Bank of the creek. LB: --other side of the bank of the creek and watched that water for, oh, several minutes. He didn' ; t say anything, you know, just sit there, we sit there on the horse and just watching the water. And he finally said to me, he says, Now Leo, you hang on to me real tight, you hear? Of course that made an impression on me and I grabbed ahold of him and we slid down into the water there. And course the water came right up to our waist, you know, we were--and all you could see of the poor old horse was just his head and ears sticking up there right in front of us and I can remember the logs and stuff floating down the river, the creek there. And I can remember that horse was really pulling, but we swam the creek to get on the other side but I never knew what was so important that he had to get from my grandfather' ; s house over there back to our house. He might' ; ve just been wanting to get rid of me! (laughs) He swam that creek to get-- BM: He swam the creek with the old horse to-- LB: To get back to where [indecipherable]. BM: To get back-- MM: I believe you told me one time about you and Charlie Blythe watching the first surrey with a fringe on top. Do you remember that? It was there at your grandpa' ; s, and-- LB: Yes, I just barely, I can remember. Well, I can remember that was kind of a, kind of a meeting place for a lot of people over the country there at my grandparents' ; house. I think Charlie--seems like I can remember Charlie stopping in there more than once-- MM: What about surrey with a fringe on top? LB: --on Sundays, you know. But what I remember, one time, there was a surrey that crossed that little--there was a little--oh, we called it--it was probably Cherry Creek. It was Cherry Creek would' ; ve been right there. I can remember that surrey with a fringe on top coming and crossing that creek and coming up right up by our--my grandparents' ; house. MM: Was it pretty or what-- LB: But who they were--yeah, it was, I thought it was a really fancy carriage. But I can' ; t remember who was driving it, who they were, or anything about it. BM: You can still drive down--or you could, you could still drive down to that old crossing there on Cherry Creek. You could here a few years back. I don' ; t know whether you still can or not. Down by where the Old Stockade House was. There was a cross there, that was the roadway where the crossing was there on Cherry Creek, went right down to Polecat, on down to just above what they call the lower falls. LB: Those lower falls, I don' ; t know if I was ever right at that location or not. But I can remember the people speaking of the lower falls and-- BM: Now, this next summer, when we present and dedicate this thing to the state of Oklahoma, we' ; d like--I want you to come out and if the Lord is willing, I' ; ll try to take you back up Polecat as far as we can and show you where the old falls that you remember crossing on the horse, where it is located today and show you where the old lower falls were there on Polecat and try to show you where the old roadway used to go down through there. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: You can drive down quite a ways down in there by where the Old Stockade House used to be. What you would--at the present time you would have to cross from where you lived there where the house burned for Troy and Plessie (ph) lived, and it burned, you would have to come back east across Cherry Creek, to Cherry Creek. There' ; s Little Cherry and Big Cherry Creek. Big Cherry Creek-- LB: Yeah, that' ; s what I was wondering about-- BM: Big Cherry Creek was the one that you were talking about the old crossing was down by the Old Stockade House-- MM: I don' ; t think you asked him where his property he owns out there is. BM: --come back to where, oh, it' ; s about two hundred yards east of Little Cherry Creek, there' ; s a road that goes south, goes back off down, winds back around, down almost to where the Old Stockade House used to be. And where the old crossing was down here. At the present time I think Louis or Andrew, one of them, has it fenced in and you can' ; t drive all the way down to where the old crossing was. LB: I was--oh, several times I went over there when we lived out there, you know, in the house that burned, you know, when Troy and Plessie (ph) lived there. I went there several times, I went over to that location but it' ; s changed so much, it' ; s-- BM: It' ; s really changed now. LB: --wouldn' ; t, wouldn' ; t know it was the same place. BM: It' ; s changed, it' ; s changed altogether now to what it was then, even. MM: Ask him where his property is [inaudible]. BM: The property that you still own out there at the present time, Leo, where is it located? LB: Well, it' ; s right there at the corner of the road where the road, one road goes over to what is Shepherd Point and the other [inaudible] and seventy acres. BM: You own seventy acres there. LB: But I really don' ; t own that place because--see, I just had forty acres and that road goes right through that forty so forty in here a few years ago, I bought the surface thirty acres from the allottee, I forget who she was, she lives down at Okmulgee. That joins there on the west there, thirty acres, so I really have what you and me would call for seventy acres but the road takes up a lot of it, I don' ; t know how many acres [inaudible]. But part of that goes right where the, goes right up where--you remember where Loyd Bruce used to live there. I don' ; t know, you folks--did you ever [inaudible]. Because that' ; s--oh, Mastersons lived there a while, one of them. BM: Yeah, right there in the corner, say, Roy Bruce had the house right there in the corner with a cedar tree in the yard. LB: Yeah. Mmm-hmm. BM: We didn' ; t live there in that corner there. Dan, Dan Masterson (ph) lived there in the corner. And Louis lived south over there on--well, just north of the Old Stockade House. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: Where the Old Stockade House was. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: And we lived on south down there, well it' ; d just be right there on the banks of the creek. And we moved over in the field, back over west of there in a field by the old Blokesie (ph) hole, the old swimming hole. LB: Mmm-hmm. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Then we moved back up-- end of recording. BM: This is [indecipherable], 10--or 11/12/1976, ten minutes until four o'clock. Leo, whenever-- MM: What was [inaudible] BM: What was your mother and dad's name? LB: My dad's name was Abner, his middle initial was L.--Abner L. Bruce, but he was just known as Abner, you know, mainly everyone knew him as Abner Bruce. Now, my mother's name was Ella May. I don't remember how she spelled it--whether she spelled it M-A-Y or M-A-E, probably with a Y. I think they most--heared it spelled it back in those days. BM: Her maiden name was what? LB: Stowe. BM: Stowe. LB: S-T-O-W-E. BM: How many children were to that marriage, Leo? LB: Well, there were three children. Is it too warm in here for you folks? BM: No, it's fine for me. UM: It's a little bit too warm for me, but [inaudible]. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: There were three children to that marriage. LB: Yes. BM: And their names were what, Leo? LB: Well, let's see--let me get the Bible. BM: Okay. pause in recording BM: There were three children. LB: Iva's the oldest. Leo Frank. MM: Born in what year? BM: What year were you born, Leo? LB: Oh, in 1897. BM: 1897. LB: October the 18th. BM: Then? LB: Then Clarence Bruce was born March 3, 1902. And he died in infancy, didn't live but a few days. And there was a girl born, oh the first--no, she was born February 4, 1906, and she didn't--she died in infancy. She died May 1, 1906, that same year. MM: You were the sole-- BM: You're the sole, you are the only one that-- LB: The only child. BM: The only child. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: You stated here a while back, Leo, that you remembered when the first school was built there. LB: Well, I should be able to give you that [indecipherable] description, but I can't and I don't know-- BM: Why, Leo, we--we uh-- LB: [inaudible] BM: --we have the-- LB: --already-- BM: --we have the description and all of that. You stated, though, that you remembered when the first school was--first schoolhouse was built. Is that right? LB: Yes, sir. BM: Any particular thing happen during the building of that school that you remember of? LB: Nothing that was really of importance. I knew that I was just very small boy and I was standing around and getting where I was in the way when they were--the people were putting up the school, building the school. And they--come of them got after me for being in the way there, I can remember that part of it. BM: At that time, Leo, where did your parents live? LB: They lived--well, now, they lived in a little--I'm turned around. I get my directions crossed up there. But the road that goes down to, past where Abner Bruce lives now? Well they lived on down that road at the foot of that hill, you know, there's quite a hill there. BM: Yeah. On that hill there. LB: Mmm-hmm. They lived on the, right past Abner's. They lived on the left. BM: On the left-hand side-- LB: Left-hand side of the road right at the foot of the hill. BM: Right at the foot of that hill. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: That would be on the north side of the road there, then. What's that road run east, east and west. They lived here right at the foot of the hill, then, before they got down to that little creek where Frank's house was. Is that right? LB: Yeah. Mmm-hmm. BM: What type of a house was that, Leo? LB: It was a log a house. BM: It was a log house. So, how many rooms was it? LB: I believe it was just two rooms. BM: How long did they live there in that house? LB: They lived there until statehood, you know, more of [indecipherable]. What would've been the election, you know, when they--in the fall of the year before statehood, would've been 1907, and I think statehood was January 1908. And they moved to Sapulpa in the fall of the year prior to statehood. BM: They moved to Sapulpa prior to statehood. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Tell us about what's in that first schoolhouse being built. LB: Well, I was so small it's hard for me to-- MM: Tell us--you kind of played around it, [inaudible] while they was building it [inaudible]. LB: Well, I can't remember that the--it was just out in open land, there, you know, and I don't know whether they had any fences to speak of at that time that cut through there. Maybe it was just open land and I was just--didn't have anything else to do that I would just, just knew of the men that were working there and a big part of the time I was in their way. MM: And they kind of chased you off. BM: Uh-- MM: And you started school in the year-- BM: You started to school there when the--in that year of 19--when the first school opened, then. Is that right? LB: Yes. BM: And that teacher-- LB: Well, it must've been Nell Evans (ph). BM: Nell Evans (ph)? Or Nell Watson (ph)? LB: Nell, Nell Watson (ph), now wasn't she-- BM: She was the one that was in 1903. LB: --wasn't her maiden name Evans? BM: Well I--it could've been, I don't know. LB: And I think she married a Watson there in Bristow, could that be right? LB: Well, now that, that-- MM: No, Nell Evans was the third one. BM: Nell Evans was the third teacher down. LB: Oh, well-- MM: Might be the same one if she-- LB: I'm, I'm sorry--Witty McKeehan (ph) was the first teacher that, wasn't that right? MM: No, Nell Watson-- BM: Nell Watson and then Witty McKeehan (ph) was the second teacher. LB: Is that right. Well, I don't believe I went to school with a teacher Nell Watson on my time, I can't remember that. Because I always had the impression that--well, Witty (ph) and I talked about it, but I told people that Witty (ph) was my first schoolteacher. BM: Mmm-hmm. LB: But that might've been wrong, but as I remembered it, and I can remember with Witty (ph) teaching school there, and I was thinking that he was my first schoolteacher. MM: And what do you remember about Witty (ph)? BM: What do you remember about Witty McKeehan (ph) as a teacher? LB: Well, I thought that--of course, it was easy for me to somehow make an impression on me, you know, but I thought he was really smart. (laughs) MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Who all went to school with you there at that time, Leo? That you can remember? LB: Well, that was-- BM: Take your time now, and think. LB: It's hard to remember many of them because they're so--there was a family by the name of Campbell. I don't remember for sure how they spelled their name, I think it was C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L Campbell. I think they went to school there. And there was (pause) and there was two (pause) I want to say scholars, pupils, that were, they were practically grown. [Indecipherable] a boy and a girl, they--they were--to me they were man and a woman. BM: Mmm-hmm. LB: --went to school there, and I can remember that. And then there was, I think there was more than one Stubblefield, I believe. There's a Charlie Stubblefield, I think Charlie Stubblefield is still there, and there's--we knew him as Letch, was that his actual name? BM: I have a Letch Stubblefield-- LB: Letch Stubblefield. BM: There was a Letch Stubblefield as well as a Charlie Stubblefield. LB: And then Sam, there was a Sammy Stubblefield. Those three might've gone to school there. And I'm pretty sure Clarence Myers went to school there. And the Mayes (ph) children, Miss [indecipherable] Mayes (ph) was [indecipherable] a teacher there. And her brother, Willie, his name was Willie Mayes (ph), they went to school there. And a Tom McEwan (ph), I think his father's name was Billy--Bill McEwan (ph), he would've been a nephew to the teacher, Woody. BM: To Woody. LB: [inaudible] Now that first year I can't be sure about that but those are the pupils that I remember that went to school to Pinehill there in the early days. And Rosie Lindsey (ph) went to school there. And she was always in school. That was before she and Frank Bruce were married. BM: Your mother taught school there too, in case you hadn't-- LB: That's right. BM: Do you have any idea--there had been a story and we had been told that she didn't complete her term there for some reason or other. Do you have any idea what that reason was, Leo? LB: Well, it's possible that it could've been her--they moved to Sapulpa there. I don't know. MM: No, that she-- BM: No, they said something about her health or something or other, about that time. LB: Can't remember that. BM: Clarence Myers was the one that told us that. Now, could it have been possible that it could've been on the count of the youngest girl. LB: That's possible. [inaudible] BM: I believe on her-- LB: It was 1906 when she died, that-- BM: Yeah, in 1906. So it's very possible then, that the reason your mother didn't complete that term of school was on the count of your sister. LB: I don't know. MM: Do you remember Ernest Sawell? BM: Do you remember Ernst Sawell? S-A-W-E-L-L? LB: No, I don't recall. MM: He finished the term [inaudible]. BM: He finished the term, that term, for your mother. That was according to Clarence Myers. MM: Do you remember Will D. Wilson (ph)? LB: [Indecipherable.] BM: He came in, Will D. came in, after your mother taught there. LB: It was the next term, probably, wasn't it. BM: And Ernest Sawell, the next term, well then Will D. Wilson came in and taught the next term. LB: Hmm. Well I--you asked who went to school there, I'm sure Leo Pinehill went to school there. MM: Yes, [inaudible]. LB: And [indecipherable] probably Mary and-- MM: Mary. BM: The--all three of those kids. LB: --Pinehill children. UW: I don't know whether the Biggs went that early or not. And some of the Big Mosquitoes (ph). LB: [Inaudible.] BM: In later years, then, Leo, in later years you went to--you came back in that country. You came back in that country. Did you or did you not? LB: Yes, it was several-- BM: In later years, several, several years after that-- LB: In later years. MM: About what year was that? BM: About what year was did you come back out in there, Leo? LB: Oh, (pause). When was the [indecipherable] war, well that's--I just read it in the history--day before [indecipherable], World War I? When the armistice was signed? MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Nineteen-eighteen or 1919. LB: It was about two or three years before that, prior to that, that I was out there. BM: Was any you--when you came back out there, then, where did you, where did you move to at that time? LB: Oh, I just stayed there with my grandparents, Coley Bruce--Coleman Bruce. And I ran a store for a few years. BM: You ran a store there. Alright, where was that store located at? LB: It was about--how far would it be from where the last school was there east across--just across Polecat Bridge there, and about a quarter-- MM: Quarter east and a quarter north-- BM: No, half east and a quarter north-- MM: Half a mile east and quarter north. BM: Half east and a quarter north. MM: Alright, what kind of store, how big a store, tell us about it. BM: How big a store was that, Leo? LB: Oh I just--couldn't really call it a store, it was more--in this day and time you'd think of it more as a concession stand because we had no refrigeration, you know, and didn't even keep ice, but about all I kept was flour and canned goods and stuff that was not perishable, couldn't spoil. And tobacco, cans of tobacco. MM: How long did you run it? LB: Didn't even have, didn't even have sodee pop. (laughs) BM: How long did you run that store, Leo? LB: I think it was a little over two years. BM: When your parents moved into the Sapulpa area, what did your father--what was your father's occupation at that time? LB: Well, of course he was a farmer, well then he was elected. He ran for county clerk. And he was elected county clerk. BM: He was elected country clerk. MM: What year? BM: What year was he elected county clerk? LB: Well, that would've been in 1907, wouldn't that be right? Nineteen-seven, prior to statehood. Statehood I think was January 1908. MM: How many years did he serve? LB: He served seven years [inaudible]. The election they held before statehood--or the first election as I remember it was an off year, and when they had the next election why, they held it when--on the regular year that the elections have always been held since and the [inaudible]-- BM: On an even year, then. LB: --the terms were two years, two year terms. And his first term as I remember it was only a year there. He just served a year until the next election and then it was like a regular term, for two more terms. BM: Now he was elected down near the--the first term, then, he would've been elected. He went in, then in about 1909. His first term would've been about 1909. MM: No, 1907-- LB: A full term. BM: A full term, first year--first term. MM: What did your mom and dad do? Did they move back to the Pinehill community? LB: No. BM: At the present time, do you still-you still own some land out in that part, do you or do you not, Leo? LB: Yes. BM: Let's back up. What year, Leo, did you get married? LB: That would've been 19--(pauses), that would be 1927. It was [indecipherable]. MM: He was married October 18, 18--no. LB: It may not give it. MM: March 26, 1927. LB: [Inaudible.] BM: And what was her name? LB: Ida Shockley. BM: Ida Shockley. And to that marriage how many children were there, Leo? LB: Two. BM: Two. What were their-- LB: Two boys. BM: Two boys. What were their names? LB: Kaye Don, K-A-Y-E Don D-O-N, Kaye Don Bruce, and Robert Bruce. BM: Kaye Don and Robert Bruce. Are those children still alive? LB: Yes. BM: Where is Kaye Don at, at the present time? LB: He's in Richmond, Washington. State of Washington. BM: And Robert? LB: He's in Mexico City. BM: Mexico City. He's down with all them pretty senoritas, then. LB: Well, both those boys married senoritas. BM: Oh, they did! MM: Kaye Don was married to Francisca Alexius (ph) and Robert married Elesia Montaguerrez (ph). BM: Kaye Don, I know, went to school out here. I remember Kaye Don going to school out there at Pinehill. LB: [inaudible] that's right. BM: Kaye Don went to school out there. LB: About one year. BM: Yeah, and he--at that time, I think, my best memory, it was just--you lived just west of Cherry Creek (ph) on the south side of the road. In later years the house burned. Troy Livingston (ph)-- LB: Was living in there-- BM: Troy and Plessie (ph) was living in the house when it burned. I believe it's right, is that-- LB: That's right, that's right. MM: How many Pinehill school buildings do you remember? [Inaudible.] LB: Well I don't know whether there'd have been three, there were three, wasn't there? BM: Well we've got reports of three, we've got reports of four, so we don't know. MM: The one that [inaudible]-- BM: But when do you remember the ones that you remember, Leo? Where were they located at? LB: West--well the first one, of course, was there at the crossroads where--and the next one was (pause) Well, you see, the next one as I remember it was a higher elevation than the last one. BM: Yeah. LB: It was kind of up on the hill-- BM: It would've been a mile--the second one that you remember would've been a mile north and about a quarter of a mile west of where the first schoolhouse was built. Then the third one was built down in under the hill. LB: As I remember-- BM: Is that--that's the way you-- LB: As I remember it, yes, but if there were four buildings, why-- MM: The first one apparently-- LB: --that could've been crossed up some way there, see. BM: The first one-- MM: The one they think was the second one only lasted three years before it was burned, from 1909 to 1912. LB: Could it've been where the last one burned? And then-- MM: No, one was a quarter of a mile--a mile south of the last one and about--what, a quarter east? BM: The first one, from the first school house, where the first one was built, was a mile south and about a quarter east, kind of sitting on the hill up there on the prairie. Was the third where you remember the first one being built, is that right? That would be at the crossroads. LB: That's right. BM: That would be a mile south of the last schoolhouse. LB: That's right. BM: And about a quarter east. Or was it right in the corner? LB: Seems to me like it was right at the road, almost at the road there. BM: Well on this, that would be the one John Rossander was talking about, then. MM: John Rossander says he can show you the foundation, he must know. LB: I guess so. MM: 'Course he-- BM: So then they tell me that there was another one built up on top of the hill, which would be east of the one on the crossroads. LB: [Inaudible] it's possible, but I wouldn't remember that. BM: Was your dad--wasn't your dad elected to a term as sheriff? In Creek County? LB: Yes, he served two terms as sheriff. BM: He served two terms as sheriff of Creek County. Well then, he was--that was in what year, Leo? Do you remember? LB: No, I don't. I'm not sure, I'd have to look that up. BM: Well they did Mote-- LB: Mote ran for sheriff but he-- BM: After Abner was-- LB: After Abner served just two terms, yes. BM: That's what I--that's the way I remember it but I never had got that-- LB: That's right. BM: --I never had got that off any of the, anybody else but you. (pause) Is there any funnies that you can--that you remember that went on at the school during your school days there? Is there anything, any funny happened that you remember? LB: Well, I can't think of anything amusing right now. BM: To you memory, then, what, what all was the school used for, Leo? LB: It was--they had church there a lot, as I remember it, and then they had a literary society there in the community. I can remember those meetings were a lot. They'd have--they'd come in there of an evening and I guess they had a certain night of the week that they'd have the literary but I can't remember when. BM: We've got different reports on these literaries, but we never have really pinpointed it down to just what all went on at these literaries. LB: I can remember they had the dialogues and recitations and they'd have songs. They didn't have a musical instrument there, but I think sometimes someone would try to sing a song, I can remember that. But the main thing that I remember was the recitations and dialogues and I can't remember--I can't remember the church meetings so well. That--I'm sure that they did have church in the first building. BM: Also we have been told that it was used for a voting precinct in later years. It was used as a voting precinct. And in the early days they held court in that school. Do you know anything about that? LB: No. BM: We've been told something about a kangaroo court and I've tried to pinpoint that down. LB: Mm-hmm. No. BM: I forgot now who it was that--Virgil Vann, I believe it was, that was telling us about the kangaroo court, but I never could get him pinned down. Tried to find out if the kangaroo courts--that they put on during one of these literaries meetings or whether it was a real honest to goodness kangaroo court. But I've never been able to get it pinned down. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Okay. MM: As far as we know, and as far as we've been able to tell, Leo, you were the first white child born in that community. Leo Frank Bruce. And you was born (pause) what the date was--10/01/1897. October the-- LB: Ten the eighteenth. MM: --ninety-seven. Your father was Abner Louis Bruce and he was born 09/23/1871, died 01/18/1952. His brothers were Frank--James Franklin, J. Smith, and Moten R. and Roy Clyde and his sister was Cora Belle. Your mother was Ella May Stowe, she was born 06/27/1876 and died 05/09/1948. Your grandfather was Coleman Robert Bruce, he was born in 1847 and died in 1926. His broth--your uncles and aunts was--his brothers and sisters was Pleasant Alfred, James A. (ph), John H. (ph), Richard H., Moten (ph), Charles F. (ph), Wesley A., George Washington (ph), Adam Vivian, Alpha Ann, Laura E. (ph), Susie Jane, Dora Ree (ph) and Katie V. LB: There was a bunch of them. MM: And his wife was Alpha Ann Moore, she was born in 1848 and died in 1923. Your grandfather--your great-greatfather, then, was James Thomas Bruce, he was born August 1824 and married in March 1846, he married Francis S. Vivian pause in recording as tape switches to Side B MM: --Bruce was born December 1802 and died March 1885, he was married Elizabeth L. Swinney and I think that's enough of the tree to go back on there. I just found the tree on his father's side. His mother's tree is here also but I don't think we'll run anything on it. This was from Leo Bruce's family Bible. Leo, what do you remember--what did you think about Pinehill? What does it mean to you? LB: Well I was--I don't know how to describe it. I really liked the community out there, you know, and of course the mental [indecipherable] child, why, they usually appreciate or like the child more than they do after they get grown and have to get out and face the-- BM: Face the world. LB: --cold, cold world. MM: Well, you were never really apart from it. Your folks has always been there, you've been back and forth the whole dang--your life, haven't you? LB: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, I remember several times that we moved to town here, why, during my school vacation, why, I would go out there and when I'd go out there, why, I planned to stay all summer! And spend the summer vacation out there. But just a little while I, I'd get homesick, I'd want to see my folks and come back to Sapulpa and that, that'd be about the end of my vacation. BM: About the end of your vacation. MM: What'd you do on vacation out there? LB: Well, they--I pretended to help a little with the farming and I remember my grandfather Coleman Bruce, he and I fished a lot and I really enjoyed that. MM: Where'd you fish? LB: Fished in Polecat. MM: What'd you catch? LB: Well, we didn't catch anything but little old--little fish. Perch and catfish. Sunfish. MM: Did you ever hunt? LB: Not much. I've hunted some but I'm not much of a hunter. MM: Where was your swimming hole? LB: Well the main swimming hole there was--it was in Polecat there, and it was just this side of where, where we lived, you know, when Don went to school there at Pinehill. Just this side there, down--walk to what would be the south side of the road there, just a little ways from the road. MM: Did you get in on them watermelon stealing on them summer vacations? LB: No, I can't remember stealing any watermelons. But I can remember, I can remember the Polecat there, it wasn't anything like it was in later years. I can remember one place on further down--can you two remember where the falls was? BM: Yes. I do. LB: I think since Heyburn's been built, Heburn dam's been built there, I guess there's not any falls there anymore, it's filled up. But just above--just north of where the falls were there, I can remember at one time there was a big hole there and it was deep. And I can remember several times, people talking about it, that they were impressed with it--that you could take regular cane fishing pole, you know, and you couldn't-- BM: Couldn't touch bottom. LB: Couldn't touch bottom. BM: Now, was that the hole that they call the old Blokesie (ph) Hole? LB: I wouldn't know. I [inaudible]. MM: Was any hunting done, any--do you remember any hunting? LB: Well, not to speak of. I can remember my uncle Frank Bruce, I can remember that he hunted quite a bit and I can't be sure about that. I don't know--I noticed you said that in the [indecipherable] there, you read where they sold quails on the market, but I can't--I don't know if he ever sold quail on the market or not. But I can remember he had a bird dog that he was real proud of, and that poor old dog would--he hunted with him so much that he had, his feet would get sore. And I can remember he tried to--it wasn't a success, he couldn't do much good with it, but he would try to make shoes or moccasins for this poor old dog, for his feet. Course he wouldn't keep them, couldn't keep them on, you know, but that worried him a lot that-- BM: Thought the old dog's feet would get so sore. LB: Mmm-hmm. MM: Do you remember any of the early oil industry in there, or anything like that? LB: Well now, see, when I had the store out there they had a (pause) I think they called it a booster station, didn't they, the Texas Oil Company had a station right down below the hill there from where the store was. BM: Be out west. LB: And, yes, that's right. They worked several men, I don't--I can't remember how many men, but there were several men worked there. And I know they had a telegraph operator. Of course they had the old line that went right along with the pipeline there, you know. MM: What, did they send messages to local people if they needed it? LB: No, not much, they may have but I didn't hear of it. But they used it for the old business down there. But I can remember that the line walkers--they'd have a line walker that would walk this line and I think they had [inaudible] can remember more than one line walker that they had that'd stop in there at the store and-- MM: Do you remember any flooding caused at Polecat before the dam up in that area? LB: No, I don't think it flooded much but I can remember that--I can remember the creek would really get high and they had more rain than they have now. I can remember you could the creek roar. You could hear the roar of the waters. I remember one time, I don't know whether it would be of interest to you or not, it wasn't very important, but really made an impression on me when--you see, my grandfather, that was the house where I was born as I remember it. They referred to it as the Old Stockade House. The logs were built, or placed, up-and-down and not--how do I want to say it? Horizontal? BM: They were vertical but wasn't horizontal. LB: Mmm-hmm. And it was a story-and-a-half house, I guess. See, I know they had rooms or a room up above, they had a stairway I know. But I know that was the house where I was born, this Old Stockade House. Well I can remember one time my uncle Mote Bruce--we were going from that--as I remember it, now--we were, I was behind him on a horse, and we were trying to go from this Old Stockade House over to where my parents lived there at the foot of the hill where I told you about. I can remember the creek being up. And it was probably right there about where the bowl where the falls was, you can remember there was a crossing there. And I remember that he stopped there on the-- BM: Bank of the creek. LB: --other side of the bank of the creek and watched that water for, oh, several minutes. He didn't say anything, you know, just sit there, we sit there on the horse and just watching the water. And he finally said to me, he says, Now Leo, you hang on to me real tight, you hear? Of course that made an impression on me and I grabbed ahold of him and we slid down into the water there. And course the water came right up to our waist, you know, we were--and all you could see of the poor old horse was just his head and ears sticking up there right in front of us and I can remember the logs and stuff floating down the river, the creek there. And I can remember that horse was really pulling, but we swam the creek to get on the other side but I never knew what was so important that he had to get from my grandfather's house over there back to our house. He might've just been wanting to get rid of me! (laughs) He swam that creek to get-- BM: He swam the creek with the old horse to-- LB: To get back to where [indecipherable]. BM: To get back-- MM: I believe you told me one time about you and Charlie Blythe watching the first surrey with a fringe on top. Do you remember that? It was there at your grandpa's, and-- LB: Yes, I just barely, I can remember. Well, I can remember that was kind of a, kind of a meeting place for a lot of people over the country there at my grandparents' house. I think Charlie--seems like I can remember Charlie stopping in there more than once-- MM: What about surrey with a fringe on top? LB: --on Sundays, you know. But what I remember, one time, there was a surrey that crossed that little--there was a little--oh, we called it--it was probably Cherry Creek. It was Cherry Creek would've been right there. I can remember that surrey with a fringe on top coming and crossing that creek and coming up right up by our--my grandparents' house. MM: Was it pretty or what-- LB: But who they were--yeah, it was, I thought it was a really fancy carriage. But I can't remember who was driving it, who they were, or anything about it. BM: You can still drive down--or you could, you could still drive down to that old crossing there on Cherry Creek. You could here a few years back. I don't know whether you still can or not. Down by where the Old Stockade House was. There was a cross there, that was the roadway where the crossing was there on Cherry Creek, went right down to Polecat, on down to just above what they call the lower falls. LB: Those lower falls, I don't know if I was ever right at that location or not. But I can remember the people speaking of the lower falls and-- BM: Now, this next summer, when we present and dedicate this thing to the state of Oklahoma, we'd like--I want you to come out and if the Lord is willing, I'll try to take you back up Polecat as far as we can and show you where the old falls that you remember crossing on the horse, where it is located today and show you where the old lower falls were there on Polecat and try to show you where the old roadway used to go down through there. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: You can drive down quite a ways down in there by where the Old Stockade House used to be. What you would--at the present time you would have to cross from where you lived there where the house burned for Troy and Plessie (ph) lived, and it burned, you would have to come back east across Cherry Creek, to Cherry Creek. There's Little Cherry and Big Cherry Creek. Big Cherry Creek-- LB: Yeah, that's what I was wondering about-- BM: Big Cherry Creek was the one that you were talking about the old crossing was down by the Old Stockade House-- MM: I don't think you asked him where his property he owns out there is. BM: --come back to where, oh, it's about two hundred yards east of Little Cherry Creek, there's a road that goes south, goes back off down, winds back around, down almost to where the Old Stockade House used to be. And where the old crossing was down here. At the present time I think Louis or Andrew, one of them, has it fenced in and you can't drive all the way down to where the old crossing was. LB: I was--oh, several times I went over there when we lived out there, you know, in the house that burned, you know, when Troy and Plessie (ph) lived there. I went there several times, I went over to that location but it's changed so much, it's-- BM: It's really changed now. LB: --wouldn't, wouldn't know it was the same place. BM: It's changed, it's changed altogether now to what it was then, even. MM: Ask him where his property is [inaudible]. BM: The property that you still own out there at the present time, Leo, where is it located? LB: Well, it's right there at the corner of the road where the road, one road goes over to what is Shepherd Point and the other [inaudible] and seventy acres. BM: You own seventy acres there. LB: But I really don't own that place because--see, I just had forty acres and that road goes right through that forty so forty in here a few years ago, I bought the surface thirty acres from the allottee, I forget who she was, she lives down at Okmulgee. That joins there on the west there, thirty acres, so I really have what you and me would call for seventy acres but the road takes up a lot of it, I don't know how many acres [inaudible]. But part of that goes right where the, goes right up where--you remember where Loyd Bruce used to live there. I don't know, you folks--did you ever [inaudible]. Because that's--oh, Mastersons lived there a while, one of them. BM: Yeah, right there in the corner, say, Roy Bruce had the house right there in the corner with a cedar tree in the yard. LB: Yeah. Mmm-hmm. BM: We didn't live there in that corner there. Dan, Dan Masterson (ph) lived there in the corner. And Louis lived south over there on--well, just north of the Old Stockade House. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: Where the Old Stockade House was. LB: Mmm-hmm. BM: And we lived on south down there, well it'd just be right there on the banks of the creek. And we moved over in the field, back over west of there in a field by the old Blokesie (ph) hole, the old swimming hole. LB: Mmm-hmm. MM: [Inaudible.] BM: Then we moved back up-- end of recording. audio 0 https://bristoworalhistory.org/ohms/viewer.php?cachefile=OHP-0012-01_Leo_Bruce.xml OHP-0012-01_Leo_Bruce.xml
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In this 1976 interview, Leo Frank Bruce (1897-1990), the first white child born in the Pinehill Community outside of Bristow, Oklahoma, describes his life in the area prior to statehood including their early home structures and the approximate location of their homesteads. He also identifies some of the first schoolteachers and his schoolmates in the community. He discusses talks about running a small dry goods store prior to refrigeration/electricity, his family’s subsequent move to Sapulpa when his father was elected as the first Creek County clerk, and subsequently as the Creek County sheriff. Finally, he describes social events in the Pinehill community such as literaries, fishing, and the first time he ever saw a surrey with a fringe on top.
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Pinehill Community and School
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1976-11-12
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