00:00:00BM: --recording everything you say.
MM: It is--oh just stop it just for a minute to, and get start- stop it just for
a minute
BM: Alright, just--
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ES: The first building was, uh, one mile south of the last building and a
quarter mile east. Then the third building--the second building was, uh, a
quarter of a mile west of the last building there. The last building was in the
corner right here--
BM: Right.
ES: Now then, they had a little church house a mile south of that, uh, old
building, of the fir--the last building, and it was just a church house that
stayed there a year, a few years. (pauses) Now, the people who lived here I've
00:01:00known many of them.
BM: Uh, now, here's a question, Elsa do you remember the first, the first
teacher that taught--
ES: No. No, I haven't lived here all my life, so--
MM: Which is the first teacher you remember?
BM: Which, which is the first teacher that you remembered?
ES: Well it might've been Bob Lucas.
BM: Bob Lucas. Well, see I have one back before Bob Lucas, that was, uh, Mark Shockley.
ES: Mark Shockley, yes, I remember Mark--
MM: [Inaudible]
BM: Then there's one, uh, one before him, there was a lady before him by the
name of Edith Whiteneck and another by Eddie, uh, what is that name? You got it
wrote down there, that was after Edith Whiteneck--
MM: Hicks.
BM: Hicks, yeah, what was that Hicks' last--first name.
00:02:00
MM: Etta, uh Edith Whiteneck, Etta Logan, and then something Hicks.
ES: Well that's before I came here. I didn't come here until, didn't move here
until 1922.
BM: 1922
ES: I owned this place since 19-and-02.
BM: Well that, that's what I know.
ES: I owned this, well, I owned this place since 19-and-02 and I could tell you
people who lived here, well, but these uh school buildings here I just know
about them.
BM: Yeah. Now on the history situation, Elsa, is there anything in particular
that you can think of that we ought to put down here in this history, that
history on that thing? Like these, this oilfield stuff through here--something
00:03:00on that order there, is there any history on that that you can think of that we
might ought to put in, in that.
ES: No, I think not. This oil development started in here in the early twenties.
I've got eleven wells on my place here, and the first one was drilled in 1923.
And there was a few up in the north of there, north of here toward Pinehill, but
I don't know how close.
UW: Well that number one was the first oil well that went---ever drilled in here.
ES: No it wasn't.
UW: At that time.
ES: It wasn't.
00:04:00
BM: Is there anything that you can think of that--
ES: Now, I went to church in this first building right up here, way down here
back before statehood. I remember going there to church before statehood. My
father was a minister and he went there and preached once in a while. But then
when that building burned they moved it north and northwest.
MM: What about the literaries?
BM: Do you remember anything on those old time literaries that they had?
ES: No.
UW: They was over by the time he was back.
MM: What about the fairs?
BM: Do you know anything about fair that was held? Fairs that was held?
00:05:00
ES: No.
MM: At Pinehill School itself.
ES: No.
MM: Starting about middle of 1928, '29 out there. At the school itself, a fair.
UW: Do you know when, uh, that was during Mrs. Rufus' time, I was substituting
there for her and, uh, they was having a literary going-on there then because I
was in a play that was there.
BM: Okay--so you're helping out here too.
ES: I did a little substitute work there for Charles Thomas.
BM: Yeah, I knew that.
ES: But not much.
00:06:00
BM: On developing this thing out this far in this country through here in
19--when you came back through here, who was some of the more prominent people
that helped, was helping in on that at that time?
ES: On what?
BM: On helping get these roads and things built through here? In the community,
helping get these roads built and--
ES: Well, I'd say the Bruces, Bruce families--
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KID1: (excitedly) --and the top comes off, and it's got little benches, and
everything! Don't we, mama!
KID2: Mama!
DAD: What the hell goin' on here! Somebody been playin' with this damn thing again?
MOM: [Indecipherable.] No, what ya did, turned on them on or somethin', did you
wind it back?
DAD: Yeah.
MOM: I gotta do it again?
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ES: And then there was Vann, Velma (ph) Vann was here, he lived here on my
place. Stubblefields lived here from 1902 to 1912, they must've had quite a bit
to do with it.
BM: Well see, that--
ES: Stubblefield.
BM: Stubblefield.
MM: What years did the Vanns lived on this place?
ES: Well, they lived here, I'd say, uh, 1912 to about '17, 1917. They lived here
five, six years.
MM: If you'd ever let me in it, you wouldn't have got me out, this is a nice, my
idea of an ideal place to live.
ES: Pinehill?
MM: No, this place right here.
ES: Oh. (laughs) Well--
00:08:00
MM: What about the [inaudible]
BM: Alright, let's kind of--
MM: --'cause they still, they still own the property there across from where the
school was, they was the Perrymans and the Bruces and--
ES: Yeah, they were Indians. Yeah, they was an Indian lived east of that there
and she was, he was Molt Bruce's wife's brother but I forget his name, terrible
with his name.
BM: Noble?
ES: I'm not certain whether it was Noble, or--
MM: Well they say one of the Perrymans owned this--
ES: Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't know who--
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