Lydia Taryole

Interviewer: Debbie Blansett

Interviewee: Lydia Taryole

Other Persons: Natalie Hogner

Date of Interview: July 7, 2020

Location: Bristow, Creek County Oklahoma

Transcriber: Abby Thompson

Organization: Bristow Historical Society, Inc.

Original Cassette Tape Location: OHP-2020-05 at 00:00 to 50:14

Abstract:

Preface: The following oral history testimony is the result of a cassette tape interview and is part of the Bristow Historical Society, Inc.'s collection of oral histories. The interview was transcribed and processed by the Bristow Historical Society, Inc., with financial assistance from the Montfort Jones & Allie Brown Jones Foundation. Rights to the material are held exclusively by the Bristow Historical Society, Inc.

The reader should bear in mind that he or she is reading a verbatim transcript of spoken, rather than written prose. Insofar as possible, this transcript tries to represent the spoken word. Thus, it should be read as a personal memoir and not as either a researched monograph or edited account.

To the extent possible, the spelling of place names, foreign words, and personal names have been verified, either by reference resources or directly by the interviewee. In some cases, a footnote has been added to the transcript in order to provide more information and/or to clarify a statement. Some uncertainties will inevitably remain regarding some words and their spellings. In these scenarios, a (ph) follows a word or name that is spelled phonetically. The notation [indecipherable] is used when the transcriber has not been able to comprehend the word or phrase being spoken. The notation [inaudible] is used where there is more mumbling than words, or when interference on the tape has made transcription impossible.

DB: This is Debbie Blansett with the Bristow Historical Society in Bristow Oklahoma, and this interview is part of the Historical Societies on going Oral History Project. The date is July 7th, and I am sitting here with Lydia Taryole at the Community Bank Board Room in Bristow Oklahoma who's going to tell me a little about their--her history in the Bristow area. Her daughter Natalie Hogner is also in the room with us. Now I'm gonna ask each of you to give me your full name so that the transcriber will know your voice when you talk. So Lydia if you'll say your name

LT: Lydia Barnett Taryole

NH: Natalie--

LT: [Indecipherable] Barnett

NH: Natalie Lynn Hogner

DB: Alright, so we're ready to start. Lydia's brought some pictures today with her

LT: That's my son

DB: She's showing me pictures of her son

LT: And they used to have this at school, who'd you say?

NH: That's Christopher, that's her grandson.

DB: Oh

NH: So, that's Nicolas

DB: Okay, she's got pictures of her grandsons, her son--grandson Nicolas Hogner, her son--

NH: That's Newman Taryole Jr.

DB: Newman Taryole Jr, oh my who is this?

NH: That's my brother Bunji Norman Taryole (ph)

DB: Normal Taryole

LT: He's got long hair now

(Laughing)

DB: And she's got--is this a grandchild or a great?

NH: That's grandchild Christopher

DB: Christopher her grandchild

NH: That's Bunji, see how they look alike?

DB: Yes, very much

LT: This is Mike, he graduated here

NH: She knows Mike

DB: I know Mike

LT: No, you know--

DB: This is Mike

LT: Mhm

DB: Michael West

LT: Mhm, here's my oldest daughter when she was young.

DB: And this is her daughter

NH: Barbara

DB: Barbara, what grade was she in in this picture, do you remember? How old was she?

LT: She was young

DB: She was young

LT: Now I don't know

DB: She was very young

LT: She didn't put it down

NH: Yeah write it on the back, sometimes write them on the back, nope.

LT: This is my mom and dad when they were young

DB; Okay tell me about your mom and dad, what were their names?

LT: Lizzie Star Barnett (ph)

DB: What was the first name again?

LT: Lizzie

DB: Lizzie?

LT: Mhm

DB: Star

LT: Barnett

DB: Barnett, and your dads name?

LT: James Barnett

DB: Do you know where this picture was taken?

LT: I think at my grandma's house

DB: At your grandma's house?

LT: Mhm

NH: Was that the house out north or was that after? Probably after.

LT: Before, yeah.

NH: She brought me and I learned a lot from this abstract that was her dads, James Barnett, or he was a lot of land as a newborn creek when he was two years old

DB: Oh wow, yes I wanna get pictures of that so we can attach it to our--

NH: Yeah that's what I was going through it and trying to see everything and you know, learn that his--my great grandpa was named Daniel

DB: Huh

NH: I learned a lot from just reading through this and then--

DB: And she just had this all the time?

NH: Mhm, just said "Hey, I have this"

LT: It had William Barnett on there

NH: That's her brother

LT: And I thought I found it in my trunk

NH: Yeah this is their original land out North

DB: Well Lydia when were you born? When were you born, do you remember when you were born?

NH: What's your birthday?

LT: 6/17/33

DB: July seven--I mean June seventieth

LT: Uh-huh, 33'

DB: 1933

LT: Mhm [Inaudible]

DB: Were you born at home or in a hospital?

LT: In a hospital

DB: You were born in a hospital?

LT: In Weleetka

DB: In Weleetka!

NH: They had a hospital in Weleetka?

LT: Probably

DB: If she was born there!

NH: Okay, well it says place of birth I was waiting, I'm gonna put Weleetka

DB: Well when--

LT: They said Clarview but I don't wanna put Clairview

DB: Oh is that the name, the actual name probably of the city where you were born?

NH: That's not really a city

LT: Weleetka

BD: But you lived in Clareview-- Clairview-- Clearview?

LT: My grandma did

DB: Your grandma did. What did your dad do? What kind of work did your dad do?

LT: He was rich, he had oil wells out there on ol' 66

DB: On old 66

LT: six-seventeen, I used to remember--nine. Six-seventeen-nine, that was his 20 acres

DB: 20 acres

NH: six-sixteen-nine

LT: When he was young, he was--he had oil wells out there on ol' 66, but it's 48 now

DB: Okay, and what did your mother work outside the home? Was--she was a homemaker?

LT: We had an old home and we didn't have no water or electric, she cooked on the wood stove

DB: Cooked on a wood stove

LT: And sent me to school

DB: And did you go to school in Bristow?LT: Mm

DB: What do you remember about school in Bristow?

LT: Mr. Lester, I went to school every day and I didn't know my math, he passed me

DB: That's a good one

LT: Mr. Lester

NH: She remembers Mr. Lester

LT: I remember that

DB: Mr. Lester

LT: I didn't know my math, or les--arithmetic's. I went to school--

DB: And he passed you anyway

LT: Yeah, momma got us up and I went every day, all I had to do was catch that bus. My brothers wouldn't go to school.

DB: How many brothers did you have?

LT: Four

DB: And how many sisters?

LT: One

DB: That's a--that's a lot of kids

LT: [Indecipherable] Mhm. She graduated with the Chilocco (ph)

DB: Graduated what?

NH: Chilocco Indian School [Indecipherable]. Is that Norma Jean?

DB: Oh, who was this sister?

NH: Norma Jean, yeah.

LT: That's the only sister I had

NH: And she was the youngest

DB: And where was that school?

LT: On the other side of Newkirk. I don't--can't remember that [Indecipherable]

NH: Chilocco, I think they've shut it down

LT: Mhm

DB: Was it a creek school? Or--

LT: No it was a--

DB: Just any Indian?

NH: Just any Indian

LT: Yeah, I think I got a book, I brought my book. We had good teachers and good kids, that's when I graduated.

DB: Oh my heavens

NH: Oh wow, I've never even known she had that, those are [Indecipherable]

DB: Okay she's showing me now the--is this the word you're saying?

NH: Chilocco

DB: Chilocco yearbook

LT: Yeah that's when I graduated. You know, I come here and I--they hired me as the, where you work?

DB: They hired her at?

NH: The garment factory

LT: Yeah garment factory, he hired me I forgot his name. When I graduated, I went to work.

DB: So you didn't graduate from Bristow?

LT: No

DB: No.

LT: I was going to Bristow and a man came into our Indian home, they had to build it for us, and he asked mom if she had any kids that would go to Chilocco, I was crazy I said "I will" and that's way down there!

DB: Did you--so you had to go live there?

LT: Yeah, uh-huh

DB: And then they would come get you to come home and visit or was it all the time or--

LT: Yeah when we were home on holidays and summers, they came after us. Graduation.

DB: How many people were in your, well I guess I could look, but how many people 00:09:00went there? How many were in your graduating class?

LT: Even the Navajos went there, they were in groups on--in that book. We had good teachers.

DB: Barnett

LT: Let me find that

DB: Lydia Barnett, there you are!

LT: Really?

DB: Right there

LT: I didn't even know it! I was looking for it!

DB: I think it says Lydia Barnett, is that you?

LT: Yeah, that's me.

DB: My goodness, it's like looking at Natalie in that picture

NH: Let me see

(Laughing)

LT: I was looking for it in our--

DB: Or one of your boys. Down at the bottom.

NH: Yeah that's--

LT: That's my mom

DB: Oh my goodness

LT: She always cooked

NH: Audrey Bigpond (ph), she's from Bristow.

LT: Yeah, she went to [Indecipherable] with us, mhm. Coming home cause our 00:10:00parents couldn't come after

DB: Your mother stayed at her home, did your mom--how old was she when she passed?

LT: 75 I think

DB: Did your father go first?

LT: No

DB: He lived after she did?

LT: Yeah, yeah, he went first.

NH: He passed first, 'cus I never met him but I met her.

LT: He was laying on the bed, he'd been hospital, he told me he said "They said I had an enlarged heart"

DB: Aw, what was the best thing she cooked for you, your momma?

LT: Yeah she was--

DB: What was your favorite thing?

LT: Her biscuits

DB: Her biscuits? What's the best thing you cook? Biscuits?

LT: Chicken

NH: Fried chicken

DB: Chicken!

LT: Fried chicken

[Indecipherable]

DB: Well I've had your fried corn and I know that's pretty good, this is--

LT: That's my sister

DB: This is the same girl

LT: Oh I've got two of them, I was gonna take that out.

DB: Yes

LT: I'll give it to Natalie. This is my daddy's sister

DB: Your daddy's sister

NH: She lived here, yeah.

DB: So the Barnett's in Bristow, that's your dads side of the family?

LT: Mhm. I went to school at Eufaula and my sister, she was in kindergarten, that's in Eufaula.

DB: This is in Eufaula

LT: I was on the third floor

DB: When did you go to school in Eufaula

LT: 32' I think, I don't remember

DB: Like you were in grade--elementary school like young?

LT: Yeah, mhm. And she was in first--kindergarten

DB: Kindergarten, so you probably were in the second grade or first grade or something?

LT: Yeah, mhm.

DB: Again, did you live there in the school?

LT: Yeah I was on the third floor.

DB: Hm, where were your parents?

LT: At home

DB: At home?

LT: Mhm

DB: With the boys, who wouldn't go to school

LT: Yeah

(Laughing)

LT: They wouldn't catch that bus, that's me in our old house.

DB: This is your old house or when you were a--

LT: We lived there

DB: Your mommas house?

LT: My daddy's house

DB: Your daddy's house. Look at that old truck

LT: Do you see a truck?

DB: A truck back here

LT: I didn't even see that

DB: That's pretty neat.

LT: That's when I was younger

DB: This is how I remember, when our boys were young

LT: There's Natalie's picture

DB: There's Natalie as a senior. There's Jarrett looking at me from that [Indecipherable]

NH: Is that Jarrett?

LT: Jarrett

[Muffled Noises]

LT: She went to Sequoya, she left Bristow

DB: Oh, Natalie did for a while?

NH: I thought my brother [Indecipherable] Kinda like her, they said "Wanna go somewhere" and I got up and go. It was an Indian school too

DB: Well tell me about your husband, how did you meet your husband?

LT: Ohhh

DB: Oh is that a bad story?

(Laughing)

LT: My cousin told him about me

DB: Did he play ball?

LT: Who?

DB: Your husband?

LT: Yeah, he [Indecipherable]. That's him in the army

DB: Oh, he was in the army

LT: Yeah

NH: He went to the army to play baseball

DB: Oh

LT: They let him play baseball

DB: Wow

LT: Hey, after--

DB: He's a very handsome man!

LT: That's when he was younger, here's when he's--he had friends. He did good, we got married and he picked me up and took me to California and he got drafted.

DB: Oh wow and left you in California

LT: Yeah

DB: And went off to basic training

LT: Mhm

DB: Did he have to go anywhere? Was he--

LT: He said "I don't want to go to army" and I said "Well you just have to stay there two years at Fort Louis"

DB: At Fort Louis

LT: Mhm

NH: Yeah there's a story, I don't know the whole story, but he almost made it to the minor leagues, or major leagues, something in baseball.

LT: Yeah I found that picture, but I don't know where it's at

NH: And then his brother, I guess him and his brother was real good, and they--his brother got sick and wanted to come home and then he came home with him instead of staying

DB: And he's also from Bristow? What's your husband's name?

LT: Newman

DB: Is he from Bristow also?

LT: He's from Okemah

DB: He's from Okemah

LT: Here's when he was--

DB: Oh my goodness

LT: I had my daughter out there

DB: Have you seen this picture?

LT: [Indecipherable]

NH: Let me see, no

LT: She's got mommas picture when she was young. Newman worked, he worked in Tulsa at warehouse--was it--

DB: Warehouse Market

LT: Yeah, he was good

DB: Such a handsome man

LT: That's my oldest daughter

DB: This is the one married to--

LT: Hey here's his army picture

DB: Mr. Carl West?

LT: Here's his army picture

DB: Oh his baseball team from the army

LT: Mhm, he didn't wanna go I said "Well you just have to go two years" and it was peace time, his momma, she worried because he was in the army. Here's his mom and dad

DB: And what were their names?

LT: Whinie, Lowell

NH: Nick, Thomas Nick, is that grandpa Nick?

LT: Yeah

NH: Yeah, Thomas Nick, that's who Nicolas is named after

DB: And the mothers name?

NH: Whinie (ph)

DB: Whinie?

NH: Mhm, [Indecipherable]

DB: Was this their home? Was this taken at their home?

LT: Yeah, uh-huh

NH: She was, one you know when they talk about, she'd go out there and catch them chickens and we'd be like "how'd she do that?" and we'd be running chasing them, and she's just go 'Kch' and she'd take it inside and start plucking 'em

DB: Oh my goodness

NH: That's what I remember

LT: This is our preacher from [Indecipherable], he's in Berryhill, that was 00:17:00momma's preacher

DB: This was taken in 1955, there's a date on that one

NH: Who is this?

DB: Preacher

NH: Oh the preacher

LT: Berryhill, that's his daddy.

DB: Uncle [Indecipherable]

LT: There's his daddy and that's his daddy's brother

DB: Now who's dad am I looking at? Oh this is Newman's dad

LT: Mhm. There's Newman, I don't know who that boy is. His friend, cousin probably.

DB: Oh these pictures are so wonderful

LT: Here's me and Newman and our kids. I had three daughters and two sons.

DB: Okay now I've got more questions for you

NH: [Indecipherable] was asleep

DB: He has his eyes closed. So did you live, did you live in town? You said you--when you were growing up, you lived--

LT: We lived in Tulsa when Newman was working

DB: Okay, and then you moved back to Bristow when the kids were born?

LT: We moved to Okemah with his folks then my brother said if you pay for that 00:19:00house, y'all can have that house. They didn't give it to nobody else but me and Newman, and he paid for it. He worked at Tree Service, Statewide.

DB: Statewide Tree Service.

LT: Mhm

DB: So many questions, so many different ways I could go with this. You were born in a hospital, so did you go to the doctor for other things when you were a child and did they have doctors' offices or--?

LT: I had Gallbladder surgery, she had to take me

DB: But when you were little

NH: When you were little

DB: When you were really young

NH: When you were little

DB: Do you remember going to the doctors' offices?

LT: No I played softball with the Alcorn girls, they were good

DB: They were good, you played with all the Alcorn girls

LT: Yeah, I was the only Indian

DB: You were the only Indian on the team?

LT: Mhm

DB: Oh my goodness, you were the ringer? That's the good thing. What do you remember about Bristow, like what were the big businesses here when you came back to live in Bristow?

LT: Uh, momma, what was his name, Abraham?

DB: Uh-huh

LT: He had a grocery store I think, Abraham I think, mhm

DB: Yes, yes, on main street?

LT: Mhm

DB: What did main street look like?

LT: I had a picture of it with them old cars, and I was looking for it and I lost it

DB: That's alright, but lots of places to shop? Lots of things to do?

LT: She shopped at four-mile corner, Burris (ph) had that store, she had 00:21:00[Indecipherable] there

DB: The Burroughs (ph) had the store?

LT: Burris, Burris

DB: Oh Burris.

LT: Uh-huh

DB: Well let's see

LT: Four-mile corner

DB: At the four-mile corner

LT: These are business there

NH: Yeah I seen her when she [Indecipherable] who she owed money to, we'll try to look

LT: Probably Burris

NH: I thought I saw something like that but--she owed community states bank $43

LT: Really?

DB: Oh my goodness. So now your dad was the oil man?

LT: Mhm

DB: And so he would've been involved in the big oil boom that happened

LT: A long time ago

DB: In Bristow and in Slick when they had all the oil and stuff like that

LT: He didn't know how to save his money

DB: He didn't know how to--so he just spent it?

LT: Yeah

DB: Did he spend it on anything in particular?

LT: He bought his mom a house

DB: Where?

LT: In Clareview, and that place was sandy. He built her--his mom

DB: It's hard to build a house in the sand

LT: A long time ago, he didn't build us none. We lived in that old house, we didn't have no electric, water, that was a long time ago.

DB: And a wood stove

LT: Yeah

DB: What was that like, cooking on a wood stove?

LT: It was good

NH: She still likes to do that, she liked to go outside and set up the wood and have a little area, she likes to cook outside

DB: Because you are an Indian, were there any problems or did you ever feel like you didn't have the same things everybody else had? It sounds like you were pretty well off.

LT: Well they were going with the preacher in Sapulpa and he said "Why don't 00:23:00y'all sign up for an Indian home?" and they build it in seventy, that's when me and mom was in living room and that man came, it was in seventy, I don't know when it was

DB: In your home you live in now?

LT: Yeah, mhm. I said "I'll go", which is crazy

DB: I'll go; there she is volunteering again. That's me, I'll go

NH: That's it.

DB: Well, there's just so many things; what other stories do you have? Let's surprised Natalie, what other stories can you remember from--did you do any ornery things when you were a girl?

LT: I ran around with that O'Brian (ph) girl

NH: What does that mean?

DB: Did you get in trouble with that?

LT: Her mom was a bootlegger

DB: Oh my goodness

LT: Down on the highway

DB: Now those are the kind of stories we want to hear, so the O'Brian girls' momma was a bootlegger

LT: And I was going to school and she come and wanted me to run around with her and I go "No I gotta go to school" she left

DB: She left, and you went to school and still didn't learn your arithmetic

LT: No, I went every day.

DB: Did you have animals? Cows, pigs, chickens?

LT: They gave momma them fantasy horses, and we's coming to town in a wagon. We came to town and a train was going by and I though them horses would take off, them fantasy horses, they bought them from mom. She had mules, they kicked the barn down

DB: That's not a good thing, so you brought the wagon to town?

LT: Yeah, that was a long time ago, I was scared cause that old thing was making noise and I thought they'd take off. My daddy was--

DB: Was driving it?

LT: Mhm, we didn't have no car.

DB: So you had to use the wagon to get to town?

LT: To get to town. She had a model A, it was real neat and good

DB: Who had a model A?

LT: Mom

DB: Oh

NH: Is that her?

LT: Yeah, I thought I didn't have no pictures.

NH: I remember that's the last thing I remember of my grandma Lizzie (ph) cause she was sick whenever I was four I think, and I remember I used to always rub her head because she always had those scarves on

DB: Scarves on

LT: [Indecipherable]

NH: And I would sit and rub her head, that's all I remember

LT: We went to Tulsa and we were driving mommas truck and we broke down in 00:26:00Kellyville, she was--mom had money and we had to rent a house because our truck broke down and Natalie was small and she'd jump up and down on the bed. She was active

NH: Yeah until my brothers roped me and cut me and put a big scar on my head. And she just "Ah pour some sugar on it", said "you're good"

DB: Oh my goodness, pour some sugar on it

NH: Pour some sugar on it

LT: Yeah, my brother had to come and get her because our truck broke down and we left it there and he come and got it. Jake was oldest, Joe was next.

DB: If you think back all the way from 1933 until now, what are the greatest 00:27:00inventions, or the greatest things--

LT: My daddy tried to farm

DB: He tried to farm, that was a pretty big deal! Did he have luck? Did he grow things?

LT: Yeah he had watermelon and people come stole them

DB: Oh my gosh, I think it might've been, I think I might've known a person that was involved in that. He tells stories about stealing watermelon anyway. But y'all had a wagon, how long until you had a car?

LT: Well mom had a model-A and she bought a truck, cus' she had money. She got 00:28:00160 [Indecipherable]

DB: She just bought it or she was left that land?

LT: Yeah they gave it to her, I don't know what year. Daddy got 160

DB: And this was all through Indian Land grants?

NH: Yeah

LT: Mhm

NH: What do they call it, the original allottees

LT: Mhm, she got 160 acres in Depew

DB: She still has--you still have that?

LT: I've got 20 acres, mhm.

DB: But what has happened to this land in the abstract?

NH: All the brothers split

DB: All the brothers have it?

NH: Split, yeah.

DB: But the land, you still own the land as far as you know?

LT: My sister got 40 acres, mhm.

DB: Oh so the 20 she's talking about it part of this?

NH: Mhm

LT: And I've got 20 out there on oil--

NH: They have land in Bristow and Depew

DB: Anything else different? What's the world like? What would you think--what's different about how everything is in the world right now?

LT: Virus

DB: The virus

(Laughing)

DB: the virus is very different

LT: I have to stay home

DB: We all have to stay home

LT: That's bad, it's getting bad.

DB: Have you ever been on an airplane?

LT: No, when he was in the army, he was scared. He got drunk and got--and got--

DB: And got on

LT: Yeah he was scared to ride the airplane No I've never--

DB: Never been on an airplane. Been on a train?

LT: Yeah, mhm

DB: What'd you take--

LT: We went to a train here with my daddy

DB: Where'd you go? Tulsa?

LT: Tulsa I guess, [Indecipherable] was on that train.

DB: Think hard. Natalie is there anything?

NH: That you missed?

DB: That we've missed? Were you in clubs in high school?

LT: I was in something?

DB: Were you in choir?

LT: No

NH: What is this?

DB: Were you in speech and debate? She also brought a calendar that's got pictures-- that has pictures of creek

LT: Yeah. Hey that's the [Indecipherable] house in Okmulgee

DB: Yes, and this is-- this is how you say January in Creek?

LT: I can't talk creek

DB You don't speak creek

NH: Can you understand it?

LT: I can't read that, mhm

DB: No but do you understand if somebody is speaking creek? Do you understand them?

LT: Newman was mad at me because I couldn't talk creek and he was Fluent

NH: Fluent

LT: And he had that stroke in 96' and it took it-- he can't talk

DB: And he can't speak it anymore

LT: Mhm

NH: He can

LT: A little bit

NH: Like if we go somewhere, like when there's other people or speakers, he'll sit there and have a conversation with them now. Whether he knows he's speaking right or not, we don't know. But my oldest sister, she can understand it, she just doesn't speak it.

LT: That's the way my brother was

DB: There's a church in Okemah

LT: Oh is that in--

NH: That is Springfield

LT: Oh that's our church, mhm

DB: This was the church you went to in Okemah?

LT: Yeah, mhm

DB: These words have to be creek for the days of the week

LT: Mhm

DB: Because this is Sunday

LT: Spring, it's Springfield

DB: That's the name of the church?

LT: Mhm

DB: Springfield United Methodist Church?

LT: Mhm

DB: Do you go to any of the Pow-wows or Stomp Dances or anything like that?

LT: My father-in-law did, he belonged to Nuyaka (ph). Me and Newman was out playing ball or he was running the ball with his team and basketball, he had a baseball team. 

DB: Oh wow

NH: Yeah that's where I grew up on the Stomp Grounds in Nuyaka, it's on my dad's land, the stomp grounds. Then of course in the fields they built their own 00:33:00little baseball-- softball field 

LT: Newman's dad belonged to it, he [Indecipherable] him and his wife, she cooks.

NH: Oh yeah she cooked out on the fire outside

LT: They cooked outside

NH: Yeah

LT: It was called Nuyaka

NH: [Indecipherable]

LT: That's in Okema, Nuyaka

DB: Well, this was all just pretty interesting Mrs. Lydia

NH: No see she was excited about this digging stuff out

LT: I said "How come she wanna interview you?" you know what she said?

DB: What'd she say?

LT: She wants an older person

(Laughing)

DB: Well we want to know the history of Bristow

LT: I'm 87

DB: 87 years old

LT: Newman's 87

DB: Well y'all are just spring chickens

NH: Yeah

LT: My daddy said "when you gonna quit playing softball?" I said I don't know, [Indecipherable]. She started playing, she's an outfielder. 

NH: Yeah I used to just go with her and then one day they didn't have enough people so they threw me in the field and then that was over with, I was out there all the time. 

LT: That's what my oldest daughter, she's an outfielder. Barbara Ann 

DB: So baseball, softball, that was a big part of your life.

LT: Mhm, well my brother Joe Barnett

NH: You know Joe, Joe and all them

DB: That's your brother?

LT: Mhm

NH: Joe, [Indecipherable]

DB: Oh

LT: Well Newman was his coach, and Joe drank, he come to play ball, he set him on the bench

DB: There you go

LT: And he quit drinking, he wanted to play baseball

DB: Absolutely. Now Larry, my Larry, played with JoJo (ph), so that would've been Joe's son in Tulsa?

NH: Yeah

LT: Yeah mhm, he was a catcher

NH: Jojo [Indecipherable]

DB: JoJo?

LT: Yeah, he was a catcher. I never could play catcher.

DB: I just know he could hit the ball

NH: I remember him catching [Indecipherable]

LT: Yeah, now he's--

DB: Played for a really good team, they were hard to beat. [Indecipherable]

LT: He was a good catcher

DB: I think Carl played with Larry in lots of things, Carl. 

LT: West?

DB: Played with Larry in lots and lots of things. They would invite him to play ball, and said-- Larry would say "But I'm not Indian" and they said "You look enough like one, come on and play"

NH: You get dirty real quick 

(Laughing)

DB: And we would go to, out there by IXL back east, there's a place.

NH: Hm up on the hill

DB: Do you know the name of the place?

NH: Just IXL

DB: No, there's a name-- there's a ballpark

NH: Buckeye

DB: Buckeye

LT: Oh yeah, Buckeye

DB: And they had the brush [Indecipherable] set out and those ladies would come in and cook and cook and it was like, are we here for base-- are we here for softball or eating? Because they cooked all day long. 

LT: Remember that ball game you played at, them women didn't cook

NH: No

LT: That was a reason--

DB: What'd you pull out here at the end?

LT: I was just looking at it 

DB: Oh this is just from a hospital, we don't need that

NH: We don't need that

DB: Well, I sure have enjoyed it. And you know this is gonna become part of the oral history and you can see it

LT: Oh I hope not

DB: Oh yes it will and it will be available online if people wanna know things about you or about your family

LT: I told Reba, I said "That highway is 65 miles an hour", I told her that's old 66, she don't believe me. She said "Oh you know, that's not true", she didn't believe me. That's old 66

DB: Yup

LT: Now that's 48, and it's 65 miles, they pass each other

DB: Where you live on 48, that used to be old 66?

LT: Yeah [Indecipherable] by the four-mile corner then turn up there east

DB: Well, I'm ready to wrap this up unless there's something else. 

LT: [Indecipherable] what was her, her grandma was 100 years old when she had to take care of her grandma

DB: And who was this?

LT: Pinehill, she's got land on Pinehill road

DB: Pinehill road

LT: Mhm

DB: Well I appreciate you, thank you for sharing your time

LT: Good thing I could remember

DB: Well I'm glad you could, alrighty. 

NH: Get over there and I'll take y'alls picture, scoot closer together

DB: I'll move over here by [Indecipherable]

LT: Hey I'm for OU

(Laughing)

DB: I know I am too!

NH: Look up, [Indecipherable]

DB: Okay now, let's see. Let's get these older pictures. Now who was this?

LT: My aunt, my daddy's half-sister, or his sister, I don't know half-sister. You want one of these?

DB: Your dad's sister?

LT: Mhm

DB: You don't know her name?

LT: Jennetta 

NH: Scott? Was that Jennetta? Jennetta Scott (ph). JEA

DB: JEA

LT: She had one daughter

NH: [Indecipherable] I remember Jennetta

DB: Yeah, Jennetta Barnett (ph) I guess

NH: Scott is her last name

LT: Scott, she [Indecipherable]

DB: She was a Barnett?

NH: She was a Barnett

DB: Then a Scott?

LT: Mhm, she had one daughter

DB: And then this is important because this is Newman to the far right over here, way over here?

NH: Yeah

DB: This is Newman

LT: You know what I did?

DB: No

LT: We had a 55' Ford when I was in California and I drove to Fort Louis in that Ford, my aunt-- his aunt had to go with me because he didn't want me to go by myself, I was pregnant.

DB: And this was the--

NH: Is that the army base mom?

DB: The 22nd, 

LT: I don't know; can you see?

DB: Yeah I have to get my bifocals, I don't know which one, I'm looking.

LT: Yeah he didn't wanna go, he said "I don't wanna go to the army" and I said "well it's just two years" back then

DB: [Indecipherable] because I can't find him

LT: He's on top

NH: Yup on top, very top.

LT: Here was a picture!

DB: He was a picture? Very top?

NH: Right

LT: He got to heavy, he's a heavy

DB: I can see him there, oh here it is, 22nd infantry

LT: Oh is it [Indecipherable]

DB: Right 1957, Newman

LT: Yeah [Indecipherable]

DB: [Indecipherable]

LT: Yeah it burnt my school down. Christmas, they left a Christmas tree, the 00:42:00light on and it burnt my school down. Do you got one on that? I mean Norma

NH: I might have in that package you gave me

DB: This is the school in Eufaula?

LT: Cause I got two of them

NH: Oh okay

DB: And you, we don't know what year this was, maybe the 50's, late 50's

LT: Yeah, she was in kindergarten

DB: This is James Barnett and Lizzie Barnett 

LT: That was probably in Walitka 

DB: Look at the clothes, where was the other one at?

NH: Which one?

DB: I need that manual over there. Oh I don't know these old ones, they have a really really good scanner at the historical society and if you would allow me to get these scanned, then I will get them back to Natalie

NH: Yeah here's the army 

LT: That was Barbara Ann, my oldest

NH: The oldest

DB: So do you know when she was born? How much older--

NH: She's older but I don't have her birthday

DB: How much older is she than her?

NH: She's 14 years older than me. When's her birthday, April--

DB: Well I don't know when you were born

LT: 70

DB: So she would've been born in 54', 56'?

LT: That's when we built our house, 70's

DB: 56'?

NH: I was gonna say 56, that sounds right.

DB: I just can't get over you and your husband, so young and beautiful! Your hair was perfect.

LT: We've been married, what, 64 years?

DB: And I can so see your boys

NH: When was you born? It has date of marriage on here, I mean when was you married?

DB: When's your anniversary, do you know?

LT: Anniversary

NH: 11/8, November the 8th is her--

DB: So this is in California

NH: What year did y'all get married?

LT: We got married in Okemah, this is all he bought me for $10, I never did take 00:45:00it off

DB: That's the same one?

LT: Mhm

DB: And how long have they been married?

NH: What year did you get married? How old were you?

LT: 50'- I can't remember that

NH: How old were you?

DB: My mom and dad got married in 56'

LT: I was 22

NH: So she was born in 33', 22, 55. Yeah because then Barbara was born in 56', yeah.

DB: And she was born in California? Was Barbara born in California?

LT: Chicoma, Washington

NH: Washington

DB: Oh I thought they went to California

NH: They did but somehow she ended up in Washington for a little bit

LT: I drove out there

DB: So was this in California or in Washington?

LT: Chicoma, Washington. That's Barbara

NH: Yup, and [Indecipherable]

DB: So we figured she and her husband have been married how long? 65 years?

NH: 64, 65 years? 64 because November, yeah.

LT: Barbara and what's his name?

DB: She's the one married to Carl. She's the oldest

NH: She's the oldest

LT: She was-- look here!

DB: This is her baby, not her baby

LT: That is her baby

NH: Yeah

DB: One of her babies

LT: She lived here and said "mom, I'm hurtin Brandon"

DB: Brandon is the one after [Indecipherable]

LT: I had a van, well she's been to Tahlequah but they didn't keep her. And I-- she said "Mom I'm hurtin, take me to Bristow or Okemah" I said no I'm taking you back to Tahlequah, because that's where she was having her appointments. They didn't keep her, I got her up there and it was foggy and I had that old red van. 00:47:00I bought her here, we bought her here, we paid for it, and I took her to the Tahlequah and she said "mom, I had him an hour and a half later" it was foggy, my aunt had to go with me to take care of her oldest son Carl [Indecipherable], Jennetta took care of him. She-- I had to wait for her, pick her up, good thing I had a van and it was foggy, and that nurse [Indecipherable] She'd been there 00:48:00that day before "No I'm taking you back to Tahlequah" and I drove to Tahlequah and that's Cherokee country. 

DB: Not in music

LT: That school was a agriculture school and Delores, what was her name, had me and her go and milk that cow and said "Can you milk a cow?" I said "Yeah I guess".

DB: This school had many different because there's Navahos--

LT: Yeah they were in groups, they were Navajos. Norman, he graduated in 00:49:00Haskell, that was a college

DB: Haskell Indian College

LT: Mhm. And them Navahos [Indecipherable] and he brought one home, he said Norman won't stick up for himself

NH: He was quiet, he's still quiet.

LT: He was talking to a chairman when Jane she comes home "I don't know what he was saying, he talks quiet"

DB: Oh it says that you were in Home Ec, Junior 4H, and Junior Red Cross.

LT: Oh, I didn't know that

DB: It says right there

LT: I didn't see that one

DB: For Bristow

LT: Mhm

DB: I might ought to take this so they can scan this one page and then--

LT: She was music teacher, Mrs. Dire (ph)

DB: Teacher of local music

LT: We had good teachers

DB: I'm gonna it that in there, the rest of this--LT: I had them in here I think

[Indecipherable]